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Permalink Reply by DB on September 8, 2012 at 5:32am

UACC RD 237 that this seller indicates the piece will come with their COA is Michael Kasmar of Autograph Pros and a regular poster and AML member.  The PSA number is P75475.

so if it's legit then it's a resale;

A Certificate Of Authenticity COA will be included from UACC Registered Dealer #237 & 2011 UACC Autograph Dealer Of the Year documenting the autograph shown is authentic and a hand signed original. -  A hand signed Lifetime Guarantee Of Authenticity is included. - PSA/DNA Autograph Authentication - PSA # P75475

here is the picture of it for those more familiar;

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 8, 2012 at 6:16am

Autograph Pros consigns inventory to dealers so it may not be previously owned. Check with them. www.autographpros.com

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Permalink Reply by Michael T on November 17, 2012 at 1:11pm

If you look at this ebay used ID worldofautographs2009. Everything they have for sale is the same as autograph pros website. So I guess they consign everything to them.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/worldofautographs2009/m.html?item=150764544...

http://www.autographpros.com/

And if you look at autograph pros ebay user Id it is in NLR status.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=...

Seems like one in the same.

Just an observation don't know if it matters. Somebody pointed this out on another autograph forum earlier this year so I am just passing it along.

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 18, 2012 at 8:35am

and they seem cheaper on autographpros.

doesn't that ebay ID however impede on your company name?

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Permalink Reply by Michael T on November 18, 2012 at 9:16am

Yes and its a real low class move however eBay's legal department refused to do anything about it.

I get calls at least once a month from their customers looking for customer service.

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 19, 2012 at 12:08am

Maybe u could try qualifying as a VERO.  Nothing seems straightfoward with EBAY these days.

Of course when it's EBAY on the other side of the coin and it's goofbay it's another matter entirely.

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Permalink Reply by Michael T on November 19, 2012 at 6:48am

I am a VeRO member.

What do you suggest?

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 19, 2012 at 7:42am

Geez.... I didn't see you on the list but I realize the list doesn't id all the veros.  I presume then you have filed an NOCI asserting infringement of an intellectual property.  The question would then be for them to answer is - How Similar can these EBAY IDs be without being considered copyright infringement of the coprighted or trademarked (Business Name).  Of course, if the name is trademarked (not that expensive and can be done thru a registrant for a small fee + the $325 US filing fee) it perhaps strengthen the argument.

Of course anything is possible with EBAY Legal (or impossible as the case may be) these days especially but one would think if trademarked noone could use worldofautographs (with a suffix or w/o) except the rightful owner.

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Permalink Reply by Brian on September 8, 2012 at 6:57am

thanks, guys.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Fraser on September 8, 2012 at 9:46am

I just looked up this item on Autograph Pros and it is for sale on their website. It is alot cheaper on their site since it is actually coming from them. Ive called them a few times before and they are very patient if you have questions. Good Luck

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Permalink Reply by Brian on September 8, 2012 at 11:37am

Thanks, William. I noticed that price difference myself. I think $250 is still a little steep for the item. Kiss sells lithos from their site signed by Gene & Paul for $300. Plus, I don't think Kiss autographs are too hard to come by.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on September 8, 2012 at 1:10pm

Steiner had a Kiss signed 16 x 20 of all 4 current members the other day on their website for $199. Sounded like a good price to me with the Steiner authentication.

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