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Permalink Reply by Grant Davis on November 14, 2012 at 1:58am

Did you really expect one? - hopefully it will all get forgotten and those stupid Yanks will move on to something else

OFFICIAL AFTAL STATEMENT

(toungue in cheek!!!!)

Grant

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on November 14, 2012 at 4:03am

I had almost forgotten about this. lol. I guess Jason was mistaken on this, although that is not his fault, he is an innocent pawn in AFTAL's game. In my eyes, the damage is already done. It doesnt matter if they make a statement or not, or if they come clean to every shady thing that has gone on during this whole episode, I will no longer support them in any way. Once someone shows deceit as a dealer or organization they are done and collectors will never forget. 

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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 14, 2012 at 4:59am

Hi guys just manage to get wifi on iPhone and have a couple of minute s.
So in The last month i spoke to most of The people mentioned and all i have said its true , i was not asked to talk on behalf of anyone but The facts were this :
Spoke to gary and dominic both of which said once The official work of The lawyer is finished they would both come on here and clerify anything that needs to even if The letter or statement does this or not .

I heard that aftal wanted to also have a statement out of all they know on this matter , i know it took longer than expected because all The people Are from other towns and not london .
Nowbi left UK friday am and had spoke for a minute or two if things were still The same and i was told Yes.

Now let me make this clear i work for no One and I am no ones toy pawn etc .
Come Next week am gonna ask all The people involved what is going on and if nothing is going to happen i am gonna resign as a member not because I know anything but simply because I dont want to be part of an open debate that has nothing to do with me except i pay a fee to aftal .

I have been The only person in aftal that came on here to take part in this discussion only because i felt its not fair to attack The UK or aftal as a whole.

But enough is enough I have a life to leave and a Family I am not god not a saviour, so if I step down you guys can continue doing what you like and it wont affect me no more.

All i want is this to reach The end of its course and if those statements Are given I hope it Will be' The end , i know it wont stop people from debating but I know this time The statement Will be more profesional since things have happened inc meeting s and so on.

I wish I had news but I dont I asked but no reply .

Sorry but it seems i cant help anyone anymore neither Aftal not you guys on here .

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 14, 2012 at 5:13am

Jason, sometimes some forget to remember "not to shoot the messenger". 

Thanks for trying to play a role and keep everyone updated.  You have reaffirmed the comment essence I posted on same that was erroeneously removed.

If there are drafts and statements to be signed then it comes out when it comes out.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 14, 2012 at 5:21am

Just One last thing and am out for today as its Sly photocall in a bit .
I personally always took part in this kind of threads especially on acaf , i dont think its wrong for people to' ask questions when Money is involved , i think its natural .
I also have experienced people getting it right and people getting it wrong its The way things go , but what is important is to come and clear anything that needs to be cleared .

I Will never have a problem with anyone asking something About me or any of my item s this is how its done now The Smart people ask , but its important we all have a clear head and also do The right research as it is easy to mess up and its not fair .

I know hundreds read this threads but Will never take part as they Are scared of getting in The dance so this is why i say its important we Are fair and try be celar and helpfull as we dont want to paint The wrong image of someone , ps this last post has nothing to' do with The topic am talking in general .

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Permalink Reply by Ken Mills on November 14, 2012 at 5:33am

I thought you were meant to be working Jason ? I am still currently an AFTAL member until my membership expires and I have raised my head above the parapet too on this forum in defence of actions brought on by AFTAL's inaction. Whatever is taking place behind closed doors is not being transmitted to the membership but then AFTAL's Board does tend to hide behind a cloak of secrecy on most things. I really do think there are far more important things in life other than being pre-occupied with waiting for Godot so whilst AFTAL and Mitt Romney would appear to have something in common why don't we all relax and listen to Simon and Garfunkel's Sound of Silence ?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 14, 2012 at 11:13am

There are many reputable AFTAL dealers. Blaming them all for this would be like blaming everyone in Iran for Ahmadinejad's behavior.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Mills on November 14, 2012 at 11:18am

Steve as far as I'm concerned I think you can quite comfortably distance at least 95% of all AFTAL Dealers from the way the whole thing has been handled by the Board. Only a small percentage will even be aware of the problem because I can testify that I have heard absolutely nothing from them since the now famous statement. It certainly doesn't mean that all those Dealers will be proud of how their non elected Board are conducting themselves.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 14, 2012 at 11:54am

Ken,

I don't know 95% of AFTAL dealers, but based on those I do know, I would wager that you're right. 

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Permalink Reply by Ken Mills on November 14, 2012 at 5:27am

those stupid Yanks   -  we gave you the English Language and now you go and abuse it lol

and that was said ' tongue in cheek '          -      not           ( toungue in cheek!!!!)

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 14, 2012 at 6:27am

I am a firm believer of colloquial English.   Although English in this country hardly resembles it's beginnings.   BTW, Grant lives in australlia mate but I do believe the british contributed there as well but I'm not sure that the title "yanks" fits.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Mills on November 14, 2012 at 6:41am

It was Grant who referred to ' those stupid Yanks ' so I presumed he meant that was how AFTAL viewed them ? We not only contributed to Australia - we sent them all our convicts and it would appear some of our Welsh brethren have even gone on to become Prime Minister. Can't understand why she changed her name from Sheila to Julia - must be because 95% of all Aussie women are called Sheila and she wanted to stand out from the crowd ? All of this International education makes a welcome change from the subject matter of the original thread - which has now been going that long it has an approved seal from King Charles on it.

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