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ANOTHER Obama...

Here is yet another Obama that I am looking at... :)

Would love to hear opinions

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Michael Frost on December 8, 2012 at 3:16pm

What are you looking for? You seem to be the boss here, so if your are asking me to leave this site and mind by business I guess I will.

I do not know where my spin is coming into play. There is nothing spinning, and no changing of any of my stories. My actions are totally inexcusable by you, I assume you have to know and beleive everything you are told or read. The problems you state you have seen with your own eyes were seen where?? Again there are many sides to a story and many circumstances that lead to ones actions. I except your opinion and your choice not to trust me or my authentication ability. When Steve Cyrkin invited my to join this site, he did make it clear that I was going to have to face many enemies and angry members. I agreed and and said I could handle and explain my actions. I came here to join in the fight against the forgers and the corruption that has been distroying the hobby and the value of many collectors collections and investments. It is time to have an open mind and try to move foward, the negative comments may be the reason that we can not have imput and explinations from important members of the autograph community like Jimmy Spence, Steve Grad, Bob Eaton, Joe Orlando, John Reznikoff, Mike Wehrmann, Richard Simon and others.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 9, 2012 at 6:33pm

Hey mike - you get a chance to check out the example I emailed - the pictures are back up on here.

Thanks and let me know

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on December 9, 2012 at 9:05pm

I bought a few from a guy who handed volunteered , just like the other guy on this page who did the same . I sent all them to PSA. Psa turned them all down .

Im thinking they must know something . After really looking at them and seeing that no one actually can witness Obama signing them . Im starting to be skeptical as well. Im thinking they are no good and someone in the back is signing the pieces left for the President .

Mine match up exactly to what you have.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Sosnowski on December 10, 2012 at 6:27am

Nobody in the back is signing for Obama. However, that doesn't mean people aren't forging his signatures. Post what you submitted.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 10, 2012 at 7:38am

Anthony - please post what example of what you have.

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Michael Frost on December 10, 2012 at 7:44am

I am sorry, I have taken so long but this is one of those items and situations were it will take more then an on-line examination to figure out exactly what is going on. I also do not believe that someone is signing backstage for the president. This is not an autopen and there are several issues that I have discovered during my examination.

I feel that the signature is Not Likely Authentic based upon a scan. I would really like to physically examine the signed items in question. Here are some of the items the same seller has listed and has sold recently. Has he claimed that these were all signed at the same event and does he say how many signatures he was able to obtain from the Barack Obama on that day?

Here are some examples of some autographs signed by President Obama around the same date as the ones being questioned.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 10, 2012 at 8:47am

No he has not claimed that they were all signed on the same day. He just said that he had some great luck with Obama is really all. I am VERY curious as to what JSA says.

Also - he said that JSA will issue a sticker on an item (when taken to an event to get authenticate) while the letter is being processed at the main office. Is that true?? I did not get a sticker til they sent the full letter.

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 10, 2012 at 9:12am

Obama must also reserve a special signing style for him whenever he meets him. Mark, these Obama autographs will be questionable whether JSA authenticates them or not. And as time goes on they have a decent chance of being recognized as common forgeries. Do you want pieces like that in your collection?

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on December 10, 2012 at 9:22am

Do you still think that other Obama was authentic ? The one gotten as a volunteer ? I think Steve and Mike both said they thought it may be authentic .

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 10, 2012 at 9:29am

Steve - of course not. I am searching for REAL one. And that seems likes its a task and some work. Which is what I am doing, but worth it all in the end. All of these as far as I am concerned seem VERY questionable. And you are right.. IF JSA says they are good there will always be doubts in my mind.. which I hate.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 10, 2012 at 11:32am

Here is another thing that is driving me crazy.

I sent 2 quick opinions to PSA today from items on EBAY that are authenticated by JSA. The both came back as "Likely Not Genuine". I am no expert - but I trust JSA and think they are good!

I am like.. WTF

So who knows Obama best. JSA?? PSA?? Or are just the people behind the quick opinion from PSA totally clueless.

As a collector it has me very confused.

Mark