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Babe Ruth on Coaches Corner ( Odd item, could it be real?)

Usually anything from Coaches Corner is absolute trash but occasionally something real pops up because some unsuspecting seller thinks they are dealing with a reputable auction house.  What do you guys think of this?This relic is a dated 1234 American Legion Membership card and in about decent condition. It looks to have been carried by babe in a wallet, comes black ink signed by him, and Lee promoses that it is indeed HID signature along the bottom. It is signed full, real name, comes with a COA from Jim hayes for certainty, and volue is a few grand on the one of a kind, HOF collectible.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2013 at 9:44pm
It looks to me like something was removed from this where the Ruth is signed. Then the Ruth signature added in its place. Look real close where Ruth is. Looks lightened like an eraser and the signature and ink of Ruth much darker.
Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 28, 2013 at 9:46pm

hmm....not really seeing what you are talking about.  I need a Ruth expert on this one because I certainly am not one.  If however this is real, being able to buy it on Coaches Corner, I might get a great price.....BUT  I don't want to waste money on a forgery

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2013 at 9:52pm
Blow up the picture on Ruth. You can see something light between the tail of the H and the crossing of the T.

Next look at the ink of the countersigned and compare it to the ink of Ruth. They aged differently.

Then blow up the Ruth sig again and the paper is lightened where the Ruth sig is that doesn't appear anywhere else. Looks like the entire area of Ruth sig is lighten unnaturally

Who knows who originally signed this. But by putting a Ruth on it is a way to trick people. Forgers have used official documents before to help trick buyers.
Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 28, 2013 at 9:55pm

Well what about the type set " George Herman Ruth "  Obviously that has been on the card for a long time.  I just don't know.  Do you know anything about Ruth autographs?  Does the autograph in itself look legit to you?  

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2013 at 10:19pm
No the autograph doesn't look good to me. I am familiar with Ruth sigs. I look at more then just the signature.
The form just looks altered to me. i am curious to see what others think and if they can see what I'm talking about.
Permalink Reply by Innuendo on July 28, 2013 at 10:07pm
Don't know a thing about Ruth sigs but I do know about aging inks. And I wouldn't touch this, as the inks tell a different story than the seller. Unless it's pressed immediately after signing (between book pages, in airlock containers ect ect), ink will simply not hold up as well as this has. I don't believe that anyone would take the time to press the sig and not the rest of the ink on the slip. In other words, the Ruth itself looks too new compared to the rest of the ink. Which tells me if it was pressed (which it had to have been to still be this beat up and not have the sig faded) then they only pressed the sig itself and left the rest of the slip to fend for itself over the years. Doesn't make sense. Granted they are 2 different kinds of ink (between the printed and hand written), it still doesn't look good. The end of Ruth looks like its been drawn over a few times and recently at that. Just judging by ink alone, I'd say this is a very clever forgery.
Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 28, 2013 at 10:18pm

Thanks, I appreciate the input.   Many seasoned collectors know that Coaches Corner is a puke pile but every now and then you can get a good deal on an authentic autograph because true collectors stay away.  I have purchased a few PSA/JSA authenticated items off of the site for pennies on the dollar because of how bad of a rep they have.  I got a Montana Jersey 2 months ago with a JSA cert for 62 dollars.  That is a steal of a deal.   

It wasn't to long ago that either Lenny Dykstra or Darren Daulton ( can't remember which one ) used Coaches Corner to sell off their entire collection of memorabilia.  

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2013 at 10:30pm
Every once in awhile you can get good deals on there. Some guy bought a Billy the Kid and Wyatt Earp dual signed on the stock of an original Red Ryder BB gun for like 260 bucks. A steal.

Coaches Corner is like tossing your money away. I've seen forged PSA and JSA stickers on their site. Good luck with anything you buy there.
Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 28, 2013 at 10:38pm

Rick,   

         I have been collecting autographs for a long time and have never once tossed my money away.  The jersey that I bought had a full letter of authenticity from JSA.  The item was verifiable through the JSA website.  I also know football autographs better than most out there and can say for a fact that the Montana was authentic.  If I ever question an autograph I seek out help, like I am doing in this situation.  

I can assure you that while 92% of the autographs on CC are forgeries, it is a consignment auction and authentic autographs do sneak in.  Here are just a few authentic autographs on this months CC auction.  

http://myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=377369

http://myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=377444

http://myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=377407

and there are several more.  I agree that most are forgeries but I never buy an item unless I feel for certain it is real.  If I question an autograph, I bring it to the attention of other collectors.  

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2013 at 10:49pm
I've seen numerous forged PSA and JSA stickers on things on CC as well as EBAY. I'm sure not all are but there are some.

You are probably right that their poor rep helps when you do find an authentic piece. I just don't shop there so those deals escape me.
Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on July 29, 2013 at 9:05am

The "e" at the end of George is brutal. not even close

Permalink Reply by Erich Jerozal on July 29, 2013 at 8:13pm

Coaches corner always seems to have some of the rarest sigs.  I wouldn't touch any of it either.  As I looked through the auctions I don't see any real deals.  Of course I just glanced.  But I did see this.   It authenticated by Morales. And we know his REP. 

This outstanding item is a circa late 1800's to early 1900's "Christmas Joys Be Thine" Christmas postcard that is in VG/VG+ condition, with only a torn corner on the upper right hand side keeping it from being EX! It is beautifully-penned at the bottom in black fountain pen ink by the first man to attain the magical number of 3000 hits, Chicago White Stockings Captain (thus, the nickname "Cap"), Adrian C. Anson! The signature, reading A.C. Anson, grades a legible 7 overall, and with Anson's death now 91 YEARS ago, this piece is valued into the mid four figure range. Ideal for classic baseball collectors and seriously RARE!!!

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