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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on August 18, 2013 at 10:52pm

Yeah I don't think Edge signs pick guards. But people hide them in certain ways to get them signed. I know a guy who got Springsteen on a pick guard , he hid in perfectly and Bruce came out drunk and didn't realize what he was signing . Ive seen the same trick pulled on Paul McCartney when he wasn't doing pick guards. But he knocked on the hidden pick guard and smiled and passed the guy up .

He also has almost 20,000 items up . So im sure he uses a general template to describe the items. I would ask where and when he got the item . I know Ez graphs travel as I ve run into them at Tribecca and also in Wisconsin before. Im sure if he put the necessary effort of when , where, and how he got the item . He could probably get 600-800 for the item .

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on August 18, 2013 at 10:54pm

Pete Townshend and Steven Tyler use to refuse to sign any instruments, both can be tough autographs to obtain . Both on the last tour where signing anything put in front of them , I got Tyler on 10 pick guards and 7 drumheads all at once , I also got pete on about 30 11x14s . Guys change day to day . Maybe that day he felt like signing a pick guard or it was the right moment. Who knows.

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Permalink Reply by Rich on August 18, 2013 at 10:58pm

That's the other issue I have - 20,000?!  According to K & L above, he has some employees who get some of the items rather than him.  This might be an indicator of an issue.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on August 18, 2013 at 10:59pm

Yeah that can be true as well. One of his runners could have pulled a fast one on him . It happens all the time .

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Permalink Reply by Rich on August 18, 2013 at 11:10pm

I still feel like, whatever happened here, the seller should have considered "Should I sell this?"  Again, it's one thing to sell a less ideal or even rushed example, but I think it's particularly unwise to sell something that looks completely wacky.  I just don't think it's wise.  I think a lot of collectors get into this mentality that every autograph HAS to be able to be bought or sold.  I guess it makes more sense if it's your income.

Just another example.  There is an in-person collector on Ebay who I understand generally has a good reputation and I believe I have even seen cited on this forum as legit.  He posted a Florence Welch autograph that was so insanely wacked out, I would immediately dub it a childish forgery if I didn't see it was from him.  I mean, this was so bizarre (and, honestly, it was 100%, completely, utterly wrong looking) that my first two questions were 1) What the hell happened here?! and 2) Why would you think that selling this would be a good idea?

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on August 18, 2013 at 11:19pm

Your right on point on the Income thing. Everyone is getting more and more sloppy with there autographs. I think the celebrities are realizing they can scribble anything on a piece of paper and people will be happy with it . I think most in person collectors/dealers only care that the pen meet the items. They see where there eyes it was signed and that's what matters. Check this Jennifer Lopez autograph I got in person one time . I cant explain what happened , but I ve kept it to the side as I don't think anyone will think its real or will buy it . Psa turned it down , 1 out 300 items I turned in that got declined that week. I couldn't even explain what she did , as that's not like anything else she signed that day .

Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on August 18, 2013 at 11:05pm

Another thing 20,000 isn't hard to obtain if all you do is graph for a living. Everyone is working crews now. This year at comic con I got 340things signed . At the Tca's I got over 200 . They aren't OMG huge names. But they are all autographs. It would be easy to do well over 300-400 in sundance if you do it perfect.

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Permalink Reply by Rich on August 18, 2013 at 11:12pm

Dang, that is high volume.  Though if you're in a hot zone with the assets and the know how, I suppose that helps immensely.

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Permalink Reply by Edward Zur on December 2, 2013 at 7:50pm

Hey rich and Anthony first time on this site and enjoyed reading all of your comments of both support and disgust with the edge autograph. U2 usually always stays at the same hotel in Chicago and that's pretty much the only place to get them. I'm not in the business of forgery. I also have people who work for me in New York, Minnesota, and Utah. Each person I deal with would never try and pull a fast one on me. If there is any question on exact where abouts of a autograph I have for sale, I always let the customer know

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Permalink Reply by Jerome Turner on August 19, 2013 at 12:11am

Rich, you stated "EVERY time I've ever seen an Edge in this style (the stupid E with a circle around it), it's a forgery - usually from an especially dumb forger".  Have you seen other dealers selling this version of his autograph?  I'm curious as this is the first time I have ever seen this version whether its real or fake. 

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Permalink Reply by Rich on August 19, 2013 at 4:57am

I have, but I don't have a great history documented.  It is something I would see on occasion, but it was always a part of an obvious forgery.  I posted at least one blatant forgery (on sheet music, I believe) that included the circle E on this forum, but I'd have to dig around to find it.  I'm fairly certain it was from a UK forgery outfit.

But, yes, I have seen that type of forgery for years, though not constantly.  I want to say I may have stumbled across one of those as early as 10 years ago.  I just have no clue what it's actually based on, as I have never seen a documented authentic example of Edge signing that way and have yet to find a fan that can verify that they have either.

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Permalink Reply by Rich on August 19, 2013 at 7:07am

Here we go - it's at the very top of the thread.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/fake-music-autograph...

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