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What is up with Substance Collectables - Milton Luban

Jason had started a thread; http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/what-is-exact-proof-...

and like all good threads there are discussions witin discussions but this sub-discussion came up on a dealer Milton Lubin & http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1

It appears that in 2003 although the Lubans were properly served but they failed to answer the complaint.

DECISION AND ORDER

MARRERO, District Judge.

By order dated July 22, 2003, the Court authorized entry of a default judgment in favor of plaintiffs Tiffany (NJ) Inc. and Tiffany and Company (collectively, "Tiffany") and against defendants Milton and Connie Luban and their company Luban Incorp. (collectively, the "Lubans"), the proprietors of an internet site selling counterfeit Tiffany merchandise in violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1114(1), 1116(d). Upon consideration of Tiffany's written and oral evidence as to its damages, the Court awards Tiffany a judgment in the amount of $573,818.64.

Jason went on further in one comment;

This link is the link with the guy and the actual photo we have on files one doctored that has the guy mentioned above.

http://bertorelli.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/rocky%c2%b4s-boxing-glov...

On 17 May 2012 the guys who were building a file heard the following news : He received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings today. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo. This guy is total scum and is getting what he deserves.

The most famous website in the world for tackling fakes did a special on him here you can read it for your selfs. click the link.

I wont pu the photos yet I will leave them as aces in our hands till we have too but I believe there is enough here to make your minds up if this is true or not.

http://www.isitreal.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7...

Recently I received some photos that appear to have been photoshopped and were alleged to be used by Milton Lubin to promote his product offerings. The one on the left is what has been alledged as the real one while the one on the right has been alledged as fake ones that were used as "proof" pictures.

One recent excerpt from Jason;

Ps yes DB strange here seems no one in America cares about what s going on in their door step and on of this forums own. (sometimes Jason - it takes some extra cycles ;-)

Since I have no dogs in this fight and Milton Lubin is an AML member here as was pointed out in the intial thread above, it would be pertinent to have some feedback on these claims and allegations.

Tags: Milton-Lubin, Substance-Collectables

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Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on August 29, 2013 at 4:02pm

Will this ever end , wow just found this one now too !!

Photo proof 1 and 2

finesse_au listed141047867343, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather signed boxing glove. It had coa Substance Collectables, and was removed on August 29, 2013.

Photo Proof 3 and 4

It would appear that the Pacquiao proof shot used by the senior authenticator was copied from auctions of seller 818yankees.

And Photo Proof 5

Manny Pacquiao glove PSA/DNA alongside Substance Pacquiao Mayweather glove for easy comparison.

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Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on August 29, 2013 at 4:03pm

oups I still no good at this , sorry here are the other photos

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Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on August 29, 2013 at 11:28pm

Oh more more more you say hihi !!

It is amazing this days how much you can find when looking for someones name remarkable , Look more forums are reporting the con s game.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/250054/the-pedro-milton-saga-continues-im...

post 19 scottatl April 18, 2003

I would bet the Tiffany stuff is all fake, everyone should let Tiffany & Co. know. Get a company with some resourced on his ass.

post 45 PabloReiter April 19, 2003

BTW, all of Milton's listings got dropped. I noticed the other day at the beginning of this thread that he had the 3% Paypal surcharge as part of his 'location' field. Obviously Ebay got smarter about it, because they dropped him anyway.

photo 1

Web page of authenticator reads : Email address to make payment miltonluban@substancecollectables.com

photo 2

Substance Collectables web site reads: For our Paypal ID: Please contact us by email at miltonluban@hotmail.com

photo 3

Substance Collectables web site reads "We now also accept Paypal" and then in bold font below that

"WE DO NOT ACCEPT PAYPAL. THEY ARE HORRIBLE."

photo 4

A test of the Paypal web-site shows the email address from the first scan, miltonluban@substancecollectables.com ,

"is currently unable to receive money."

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Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on September 15, 2013 at 7:16am

Picture No1

finesse_au relisted Pacquiao Mayweather glove Substance Collectables on 141052629250 and it was removed September 3, 2013

Picture no2

The Mayweather proof shot in the auction is not a photo of Substance Collectables, it is from Oliver Iglesias, and can be seen here

http://digitaljournal.com/article/352007

Picture No3

close up Pacquiao PSA/DNA on left and Pacquaio Substance Collectables on right

Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on September 20, 2013 at 5:09pm

I am still finding it hard to use this forum, anyway here is some more.

On photograph 1

Floyd Mayweather glove PSA on left and Floyd Mayweather glove Substance Collectableson the right

On Photograph 2

The Authenticator broadcast Joe Frazier funeral mass on You Tube to promote his web-site

Substance Collectables could be featured in a book A Case Study of Companies , under the chapter

"Don't let this happen to you."

Permalink Reply by MJ Matt on September 20, 2013 at 5:56pm

First, hello all. This is my first post on here and sadly it has to be a negative one about this dealer. About a year and a half ago I came across his website and I was shocked when I came across a photo I took of a Matt Hughes (UFC Hall of Famer) signing which was on his website as a "proof" photo. After sending an email and some back and forth he finally removed it from his site but this was only after me threatening to get my family retained attorney involved. Also, as it has been shown, he lifts others photos and uses as his own. Here is one more example I have not seen documented on this thread. The first is from Substance Collectibles site and the next is from CSC Memorabilia who held a private signing with the pictured athlete. Love the site and look forward to my "education" in collecting.

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Permalink Reply by UpToBat on September 20, 2013 at 6:49pm

Unfotunately there is not any good news in this forum about Milton of Substance Collectibles I am in the process of getting photos together of a fake Ali glove Milton sold me. Along with the photos will be copies of emails from Milton to me making statements that will show everyone what kind of a person Milton is first hand in his own words. This forum is the perfect place to show what I have to everyone. More to come as I have a bit of work ahead of me. Stay tuned.

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Permalink Reply by UpToBat on October 23, 2013 at 8:24am

The following Ali glove was sold to me by Milton at Substance Collectibles. Autographed "Muhammad Ali aka Cassius Clay Greatest of All Time". After receiving the glove I asked Milton via email who would be the best company to send this glove to and have authenticated because I wanted another authentication company behind the autograph besides Substance. Milton told me "not PSA/DNA" but that he would email his "friends" at JSA. He had copied me on the emails and JSA directed Milton to have me send it in. Milton made it appear as if he has "friends" at JSA but all he did was copy me on an email to JSA asking when their next roadshow was. As you can see from the JSA letter, the glove was NOT authentic. When I emailed Milton this time about the glove not being authentic per JSA, Milton emailed me back saying "do you think I sell my items based on a third party authenticator's opinion"? Milton then ignored all my emails asking for a return. Guaranteed authentic based on his website? I then sent the glove to yet another authenticator who told me this was the worst attempt at an Ali autograph that he had ever seen.

FAKE..........FAKE...........FAKE...............FAKE

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on October 23, 2013 at 11:30am

That is a pretty bad one. What do you do now?

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Permalink Reply by UpToBat on October 23, 2013 at 1:20pm

This is what I do now. I post it here so that other buyers can see that the Substance Collectibles authentication means NOTHING and that Milton's statement on his website that "all items are 100% guranteed" is false and deceitfull, in my opiniom and my opinoin is based on fact.

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Permalink Reply by rich gonzo on March 28, 2014 at 8:13pm

To Jason, if i were Milton Luban i would sue the pants off of you for defamation of charector!!! You as all other dealers and collectors are haters of him and jealous of what he does. I personally have done over 100k in dealings with him and he has never sold me a fake or forged item as your punks say. You guys all hide behind the screen and believe me if i ever run into you we will see how tough you are in person!! I am 57 years old and will put you in your place young fella!!!! Stop all the hating!! You guys should be going after companies and dealers who sell GAI, Ace,+ Christopher Morales, and others whom put out junk and questionable items at best.