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Have you guys heard of canadagraphs?

They have several once upon a time cast members and a signed picture with multiple cast members.

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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on December 3, 2013 at 6:06am

Ok, finally someone speaks up on what the circles are supposed to mean.

So, am I supposed to get from your comment that Ryans circles mean "similarities are from 1 person"? Is that it? Just being clear on your definition BEFORE I answer in detail on why Ryan is then wrong.

Ok, assuming that's the case....lets look at it.

Lets start off with red circles. I assume you are suggesting the G's in Ginnys 1st name & Jareds last name were signed by the same person????
Discounting the obvious fact 1 looks like it was signed by a 10 year old boy & the other by a woman, lets look at this logically. Ironic, 1 of the few autographs of the whole piece that aren't signed at a slant is 1 you want to use as "proof" that they were signed by the same person. Wouldn't the lack of signing slant indicate different people? Or how about the fact the 2 Gs don't even really look similar? Let alone the fact her last name ALSO starts with a G, yet you didn't think that was similar....
The Ginny G starts well down from the rest of the graph, and the bottom end of it actually hits the front end at the top, as opposed to Jareds which starts right at the base of the letter, and the end of it meets at the bottom.

We'll move on to the other circle in Ginnys graph, the green circle.
This is actually laughable.
First, you circled an f and are comparing it to 3 L's.
Second, funnier yet, all 3 of those Ls clearly have different writing styles. Raphaels (far left) starts out far higher in the L where it loops through itself than the others. Roberts (middle) has a severe slant to the right compared to the other 2, and finally Alan dales, tight & compact. The evidence of this "analysis" alone should be enough to disprove this stupidity, but this isn't even the worst work.

Blue
You circled 3 loops. I am assuming your "proof" is that theres no erson anywhere on the planet with a loop in their graph, let alone 3...because that's where the similarities stop with these.
1st - far left - JMos J. Its big, quite round and pretty smooth in its appearance. Someone that is confident in their signing habits signed that, someone dare I say, who has signed 1000s of items the same?
2nd middle - Meghans loop. Smaller, more compact, has a flatter bottom to it than JMos
3rd far right - Lanas loop. This 1 looks nothing like either of the previous 2. the loop starts off fairly straight, takes a sharp turn at the bottom before it rises up & takes apath back across itself.
None of these loops have any characteristics of any of the others. I really feel you are at this point, not actually looking, or trying, but just circling things moderately similar just in the assumption you wont face someone that can tear your analysis apart.

Yellow.
You circled an L, an R & an s,sh,h? All allegedly signed by the same person.
1- The L in Lees autograph. Looks more like a P. Which is still not 1 of the other letters you circled. Except for the part below the loop which is slightly straight, It has a curve to it from start to finish. Its pretty tight for a letter that's so big. If it was signed in the size of the other 2, imagine how condensed it would look. In any case, like the Jared auto, odd, you pick one that's going straight across to compare it to 2 that are slanted.
2- Roberts R. I seriously don't know how this compares to Lees L. I'm at a loss. The curve? If that's it, that was a pathetic attempt. Look at how much rounder his curve is than Lees. Why did you even circle these 2 to compare?
3- Josh. Not sure if that's a s or an h, or an sh. In any case, like the 2 prior, only thing I can possibly think that you are comparing is the curve. I can see a small comparison to Lees L. But it really is still a grasping at straws minimal comparison. This looks like a moderately close match to the top of the L in Lee. Of course, the size of the mark rules out much of the comparison. The L is large, sprawling & was done by someone who clearly signed at a different angle than the Josh, which is smaller, more compact and clearly signed at an angle that doesn't match up with who signed the Lee.

By the ways, incase either Ryan, or you were wondering. THIS is analyzing something, not whatever Ryan thought he was doing.

As I have stated before, I will gladly explain why you are wrong, if you ask.
Up till this post (although I strongly suspected what Ryan was implying...I just wanted to hear him say it) no one wanted to explain WHY they felt the circles were proof.

Fun fact back for you - I am aware of this, since I have taken down my fair share over the years. This is not my 1st week discussing autographs. I have been doing in person graphing since the 80s.

I "went into defense mode 110% off the bat" as you like to say, because I'm just argumentative by nature, and honestly, I enjoy outing people for not being what they think they are. This has been like an early Christmas for me. The reputation of me or my site will not be hurt by you or the Ryans "analysis". It will only strengthen it. I have nothing to hide. If I did, as you said, I would have closed up my OUAT section by now.

I find it most interesting that all of you have stated you don't actually KNOW the autographs you are debating, yet all of you KNOW they are fake...and in the biggest damning piece of evidence you felt you had, I just tore it apart, put it thru a paper shredder and put it in a blender afterwards....and it took me 15 minutes of actual investigating to do so. You guys, are NOT a vote of confidence for the quality of analysis on this site.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on December 3, 2013 at 6:12am

PSA just failed your item through quick opinion so you typed all of that for nothing. They agree its a forgery.

But even with that the evidence of you selling fakes signed by the same person is out there now. Enjoy that. Its clear from the circled who ever signed this isnt very bright as they are almost identical in some circles. And anyone (not selling these forgeries) can and will see it.

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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on December 3, 2013 at 12:13am

I'm confused.

So are you suggesting my analysis of the Gretzkys, is accurate? So you are conceding I've actually gotten Wayne enough times to know his signatures.

But you are doubting my OUAT stuff, which films here for 9 months a year & I have literally shown 100s of interactions with the cast signing for us....that you have trouble believing. Wow.

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 2, 2013 at 1:14pm

CanadaGraphs,

"Consider this a VERY OPEN, very PUBLIC challenge (unless you are not up to the challenge...in that case, you should stfu permanently) for you to go thru my ENTIRE inventory, and find just ONE item that's fake. That's all, just 1"

Just one? Hell that was easy. What do I win? =)

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on December 2, 2013 at 2:23pm

Well now that the one item you requested was pulled out of your inventory, what now? Not just a marginal forgery, but a bad one at that

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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on December 3, 2013 at 12:24am

Ryan2 - odd, you chime in only shortly after/before Ryan1 posts something. Not 4 hrs later, but less than an hr later, every time. Change up your pattern a bit. Getting a tad transparent.

Carl, Ryan, Ryan2, whatever you want to be labeled as, neither you or well, you, has explained in about 10 posts what your reasoning for your "analysis" (I couldn't even write that without smirking) is. All you have offered is circles.

Looking at that pic, I get the impression you are trying to explain something using colours. Which if this is your "proof" then I might be forced to laugh at you for the rest of time.
I'll let someone, who knows WHY your analysis is so inaccurate tell you, because if I do it, it will surely go on for far more than 5 paragraphs.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on December 3, 2013 at 4:32am

I will help you since its autographs are not your strong point. Yes see how they are similar? thats because the same dope signed it. Now do you understand? The reason its circled is because whomever signed this isnt very bright, so we circled it to show you (the autograph expert who cant spot a fake).

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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on December 3, 2013 at 5:17am

so, YOU are calling the majority of the main season 1 cast

1- "Not very bright"
2- "The same person"?

Explain to me again how someone smart enough to play several different characters on a TV show (not to mention playing different heights & sexes) & keep up the façade for the public, can also be not very bright?

You are an idiot.

If you think these are all signed by the same person, then I guess that person has signed every autograph the cast of OUAT has signed since they've been on the show.....since theres 1000s of fans & other hounds signatures all over the internet that would verify that....or, hold on, let me say this highly implausible second scenario, they were signed by completely different people....but that cant be it, because you said its not. All those fans & graphers have been duped by some magical master of disguise who pretends to be every single cast member.

Yeah, I'm sure its more likely just 1 person signing everything in existence.
Spot on analysis you've added.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on December 3, 2013 at 6:03am

No just yours. I can see differences in the others. Great deflection. Stick to the point of your signatures, stop trying to get the eyes off of your forgeries. I just looked at several cast signed items and they all look much different. But somehow yours where signed by the same person...Who isnt very bright...

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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on December 3, 2013 at 7:20am

I CAN NOT WAIT to see these items you claim to have checked out.

I really cant wait to see what "real" OUAT autographs you think look like...because you know, I've never met them, or gotten them to sign, let alone dozens of times, let alone all on the same piece. Nope. Its impossible.

BTW - TELLING people you've SEEN something, and not POSTING THE SOURCE so everyone can assess whether you are right, or wrong, is below amateur hour. You make Ryan look bright with that "work".