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Sorry to say I feel I have rooted out another very good set of Floyd forgeries and unfortunately the CD was passed by PSA/DNA, the Epperson Cert has been determined a fake.
This drum head just popped up on ebay. The CD has been passed around from dealer to dealer on ebay for a couple years now and is now passed by PSA/DNA.
I remember seeing the CD hit ebay years ago it I thought it was good but then a month or so later I saw a drum head hit ebay almost identical to the new (pictured above) and I noticed it was identical to the CD also, including one member being signed in red and thought... that was funny. So now this new one pops up and it became clear to me that these are in fact not real.
Because I have been getting in person autographs so long I am trying to present myself with a scenario that would produce these two (shown) items and the one that I saw a while ago (I can't find an image of it unfortunately) but I simply can't. Here are some bullet points.
- In person autographs never match identically from piece to piece like these do, it's like a machine signed them.
- The red pen, so getting something signed in red is not common, I has happened to me only once at a baseball game when Ozzie Smith grabbed a kids red sharpie and signed everything with it. People who would have the opportunity to get these three men should not have a red sharpie. And what? Hey Rick, can you a Dave switch on this one??? ya right.
- This is a classic forger move. Imagine him sitting at his desk with a pile of pens and little brain and screwing this one up.
- The drum head is a Chinese generic head, autograph hounds buy these in bulk for a few bucks a piece and so do the forgers. Similar to the Team Derek MO they buy hundreds of $1 bin records and they rarely even bother to properly take the price tags off, forgers are lazy and cheap. A VIP who would have the opp to lets say be in the same room as the 3 men would not have one like this ever and even if they were signed at different times it is clear that the members, given the identical signatures would have signed the CD and Head at the same time respectively so he would have had to ask them all to switch pens per signature which would never happen. So to me that eliminates that scenario.
- See the hitch in the Wright signature I circled. This is called indecision and it shows the forger couldn't continue with the flow Rick typically signs with. Rick does not do this hitch, and even if let's say he did it once cause he was bumped in a crowd or something you certainly would not see two identical.
- Since these are from the same hand I can see Dave squishing his signature flat to fit it on the CD, but not the drum head. This is dead give away.
I mean not the blow up PSA, again, but they really need to stop, take a moment, do some research when authenticating high end autographs. If you are strictly going off exemplars then you are not looking for pasterns left by forgers per say. I can't blame PSA though, it looks real with no context of the other one but they should know how hard David Gilmour is to get to sign and he should be very diligent in authenticating them.
I am interested in any feedback.
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WARNING only buy an autograph off of E Bay if you are 1000 percent certain it is authentic. If not you are going to have a massive headache. Post here for advice and for the Lords sake be certain before you purchase. I wish people could read this every time before they buy an autograph on E Bay.
I agree. Items with NO COA can be quite real.. know your dealers reputation, check their other items for authenticity and know your celebrities real signature in person... find real ones on line to compare. Do NOT trust a COA from a dealer..(Ebay doesnt allow COAs from "unauthorized" authenticators anymore)/. I have seen LED ZEPP, STONES, CREAM etc all big names guitars sold last year on ebay wirt elaborate COAs all the signatures were fake. COA from company neevr heard of...do beware.
I gather you have seen "suspect" items in their "PSA" approved auctions as well huh? I know the Pink FLoyd guitar signed by Waters/Wright they are selling is real.. but I have seen many "suspect" items myself in their listings.. I assume dealing in volumes and who they are has influenced PSA giving out COA on all their items.
eBay has been PROTECTING sellers of forgeries by:
1) Removing the true ID's of eBay bidders so you cannot contact them and warn them they are bidding on OBVIOUS fakes. This also makes it nearly impossible to identify shill bidders.
2) Not allowing COA's to be shown. Because I agree there are a small number of trusted eBay autograph sellers of nothing but real autographs. If any particular collector knows the sellers of authentic autographs, with eBay no showing COA's rule- those buyers won't know whether the item is from a real authentic autograph seller anymore.
3) eBay is PAID OFF by the "authenticators" they promote. If anyone thinks that's false: PLEASE WAKE UP!
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