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Help with Bill Murray autograph possible auto pen concern?
So every year Bill has his Murray Bro Charity golf tournament every year . I always wanted to go and saved my money up one year 2017 to go and happens to be the one year he didn’t show so I was pretty bummed . Busy still had wonderful time though I was there for Bill Murray as I’m huge fan . Each year they do donations through Prizeo app and I would always see Ghostbusters signed poster by Bill if you paid certain amount . Early on they were $250 then went up to $500 years later. So I purchased one and money went to great cause however when I received the poster the autograph ink looked odd to me . It could be because it’s done by those nice gel silver markers but you don’t see the typical inconsistencies of marker moving quickly on the signature . It seemed almost perfect . This def came from Murray Bro Caddyshack restaurant which I love !! Been there twice so far. However I saw a photo on their Facebook page that made me more concerned . Another poster that was won by someone at restaurant and the autograph is nearly 99% identical! The angle , way things lineup is scary close to mine to not be concerned I paid lot of money for auto pen autograph. Now I don’t want to bad mouth the restaurant or Murray Bro Charity event whatsoever. I fully support it and it’s for great cause . I hope I can make it down next year so bad as I still had great time . I know my money was donation and to good cause but I’m very concerned after seeing this photo on Facebook look nearly identical and already had suspicions about it from get go . Anyone familiar with auto pens tips or feedback would be great ! Here are the pics of mine and one on Facebook . I can only find one settle difference is the Y on my poster ends just above the H letter below it and the Facebook photo his Y goes just past it by very small bit . But everything else looks identical . I know autopens also look for dots ending and starting as well as shaky likes . It’s pretty smooth throughout though the Y looks little unnatural.
Let me be clear in no way am I accusing Murray Bro Restaurant or the charity event giving out fake auto pen autographs however i am not concerned I donated lot of money that went to good cause but for possibility of autograph that was done by auto pen after seeing another photo of same poster where the autograph lines up way too close for concern and has me wondering . So any feedback would be great.
First photo is split to compare . Mines on left side and other Facebook photo from restaurant is on right. Second photo is better shot of my poster and third is the one from Murray Bro restaurant Facebook photo giveaway I saw .
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Permalink Reply by Kenny Brian Regiec II on
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Most likely? You can't see by looking that they are identical? There is just no way it is real - not possible. I'm not feeling well or I'd do an overlay but it is realy not necessary. Looking with a glass and all that not neessary. Signed mechanically.
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No I see there identical I just curious to know how it was applied . But there’s at least 4 I’ve seen online are identical
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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This really looks like it could be a stamp still. Ive never seen an autopen that didn't have visible overlaps and pen tracks.. thats the whole point of using an autopen, to mimic being hand signed.. those signs are missing from yours. I do not know enough about the different types if ink out there to tell you for sure though.. this is really turning out to be an interesting dilemma.
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That is not a stamp. It shows NO sign of being a stamp. It has no bubbles, the stroke edges are not darker and so one. It is an obvious pen track laid down by a machine with a paint pen. The signs you mention looking for - this is paint pen - this was fully signed before any of it started to dry so crossover won't be there - it's melded into itself.
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Gotcha that’s what I was leaning towards but what was throwing me off questioning possible stamp was with magnify glass the ink does look spongy but I can’t get a good enough pic that close and clear to see it to post . It’s got lot of little bubbles very small in ink magnified glass . Not by real strong magnify but just cheap one . But I believe autopen as well . I’m no expert just like to learn as much as I can . I appreciate all your feedback .
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I do agree with a lot you are saying but I just do not see any pen tracks at all. Maybe they invented a new type of forging.. using a stencil?.. Yeah it sounds crazy but there is nothing I've see yet to make me certain of being a stamp or an autopen.. an autopen would give the entire autograph a uniform thinkness as well. I have not yet seen an autopen with varying thickness within a signature. While most of it is uniform, the AY at the end has varying thickness which isn't a usual sign of being an autopen
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Thank you ! That looks close but I can def see the strokes better on yours . But looks like might be same marker used just mine not hand signed maybe ?
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Permalink Reply by BC on
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Here is a quick test of a Uni Paint medium tip I did to help you find what was used to sign it
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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on
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Unfortunately this isn't new. I know some of you aren't on RACC. Here is the link if you are
https://m.facebook.com/groups/realautographcollectorsclub/permalink...
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