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WARNING! Elton John's store selling Autopens as real
FB RACC members who bought these sold as signed by Elton John in his store have compared theirs—they're Autopens, essentially identical.
Infuriating!
Tags: autopen, elton john, store
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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+1 It is likely foolish to think otherwise.
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Permalink Reply by Ash on
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There’s no chance Elton will re sign these , he’s in Ill health and last thing he will do is sit for hours signing , though this is the rite thing to do .
what a shame !
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Yeah, just get your money back guys, return postage is free at least.
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Permalink Reply by Josh Board NEW & Improved on
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Two Quick Things. I hate when people say stuff like "no artist wants to sit around signing for hours on end." When Jimmy Carter was in my hometown of San Diego, he signed 2,000 books in 2 hours. So, just assume ANYBODY can sign at that pace, and...Elton could easily do it for 15 or 20 minutes, take a 2 hour break, and go back to signing...and in an entire day, have 100,000 pieces signed.
Second, for anybody that thinks the companies will try to get out of this by saying "it says 'signed' not 'hand signed' " that's garbage, too. I know a lot about the law (have 3 good friends that are lawyers), and they'll be the first to tell you -- if you say something is "signed" it's implied already, that that means "hand signed" or "personally signed" not autopen, and every court in the land would see it that way.
In the future, if companies want to legally have the right to refuse refunds, what they can do is this. SHOW THE PHOTO of the "signed" item, but DO NOT describe, at all, what it is. Just show the bundle of what you get, and people will see it, and ASSume it was "hand signed" but it was autopen. Then you can't ask for a refund, because they can say, "We never said it was signed. We just showed the item you got. It could have been autopen, signed by a secretary or his tour manager, or who ever. We didn't ask the artist, and we don't care. We just showed the photo of the items you get for said price
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"100,000 pieces signed"? Taylor Swift yes but Elton John no
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Here's another reason these artists would lose their case in court (if it ever went to court). A judge would think that, obviously using an autopen is to dupe people into thinking the signature was hand-signed because otherwise, theyd do the signatures the way they did on posters when I was a kid (in the '70s). Sports posters I had (Magic Johnson, Pete Maravich, Bob Griese, etc) or even Farrah Fawcett -- had signatures printed on them. EVERYONE could tell it was not "hand signed" but that it was their real signature, just copied onto the poster. So, if they weren't trying to "trick" buyers, but just wanted a signature on it, they would simply do this technique, but they're not.
And with the case of Dylan, using multiple different autopen signatures, goes a step further. That means they're making a specific effort to have different looking signatures so the buyers THINK they're legitimate. Courts don't like that, either. That shows you're going out of your way to deceive someone.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on
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I cant believe after the Dylan fiasco and all the media attention it got, this continues to happen
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+1,000,000. Mobile Fidelity just lost a class action lawsuit for $25,000,000 for outright lying to their customers stating in writing their vinyl "Original Master Recoding" titles were all-analog and no digital steps were used in the manufacturing chain. They did this for 15 years until they got too greedy with the Michael Jackson 'Thriller' release this past year. The autopen BS will just continue on and on until someone (or group) nails their arse to the wall. That tends to get everyone's attention pretty quick.
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Got this response from them:
"This is being looked into by the label and as soon as I know more information I will get back in touch."
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Aye, got that too but not holding out much hope apart from maybe a token credit note by way of apology...
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Got the same message at least they are getting the message.
Fingers crossed.
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