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Permalink Reply by steven foster mills on February 24, 2012 at 11:08am

This is just so sad and unfair  Thanks E-Bay real smart thing to do !    I Guess we all  need to ask when asking for our next autograph is.....  Hello There can you  please sign this for me, &  can i also have you roll your thumb across my ink pad please .........   That's the Wow Factor ..........  This just makes it tough on everyone trying to do what they love and to try to trust others !   Steve Mills, Ky  

Permalink Reply by Robert Sledz on February 25, 2012 at 10:34pm

With all due respect, eBay should not be telling sellers what to sell or what not.  We don't live in a political environment with eBay.  They have taken down very credible sites all just to keeo their own people.  What ever happened to "Buyer beware?"

 It is simly a power grab. 

 

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 26, 2012 at 12:33am

EBAY's site. They can set the rules for sellers. They dont allow cigarettes, alcohol or guns being sold. I for one am glad they are banning authenticators who have poor reputations or associated with high rate of forgeries.

Not that it matters much to me since I would never in a million years buy an item with PAAS authentication. Just dont like that guy. I hope this hurts his pockets huge.

 

Permalink Reply by Robert Sledz on February 26, 2012 at 1:09am

This is Captilalism, not socialism.  If eBay allows the selling of autohraphs from others then they should allow from anyone so long as they are certified.  Only a small few are allowed to sell and this is pure Politics.  A certian small group has taken over the site and proclaim a monopoly on what an autograph is authenticate or not.  Well, unless you are in front of a celbrity seeing her or him sign the pic, you are never going to be 100 % pure sure it is true.  I have had several authenticated by UACC and PSA memebers in great standing that screwed up on several items.  Sure, they will take it back but so will PAAS.  BUYER BEWARE is the best approach otherwise your allowing a monopoly, not all inclusivity. 

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 26, 2012 at 1:22am

What if it is certified by an authenticator who passes everything without even really glancing at it like most self proclaimed forensic document examiners do? Not good for business on EBAYs part if consumers are getting ripped off and never come back.

You a seller who just had a chunk of your junk yanked?

 

Permalink Reply by Robert Sledz on February 26, 2012 at 4:54pm

No, I am not a seller who had anything "yanked"....LOL....You must be a bad psychic.  I sell on eBay and everything has authenticity letters from UACC RD members.  ;-)

Permalink Reply by DB on February 26, 2012 at 5:05am

Some good points made on both sides.  Unfortunately, the "authentic" ones get tossed out with the "non-authentic ones".  How many of the 800 +/- were really reported is anyone's conjecture as the EBAY EMail is a "standard" formatted message. 

According to one official, "if every place that sold forgeries or authenticated "non-authentic" items was eliminated:  there would be few left to choose from".   Having said that there are some however whose accuracy rate is in serious question.  They can't blame anyone else as they created their own situation.  Why?  $$$ & Caviat Emptor, that's why.

Permalink Reply by Robert Sledz on February 26, 2012 at 4:52pm

True.  But how do you make a rule of absolutes for that?  How do you really know that something is authentic?  Authenticator?  Well, we have seen already how so called serious authenticators like PSA/DNA can mistaken a pre print from a real signature.  If they can't tell the difference from a copy and be on eBay?  Who can?

Permalink Reply by roger epperson on February 26, 2012 at 9:33am

Wait a minute, it's their company, they can do whatever they want.  This is a crazy statement Robert on your part.  It's not a public owned and run site.  It's not a say by the people for the people, it's a business.  Don't confuse the two.

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 26, 2012 at 10:19am

I have to add that whether one agrees with ebay's policy or not, (and I happen to agree with it), the number of forgeries present now compared to just a few years ago is a fraction.  Anything that gives these low life thieves a smaller cesspool to sell their crap is a benefit to all collectors, and honest dealers.

Permalink Reply by CJCollector on February 26, 2012 at 10:47am

Years ago no one got on Ebay's case more than I did.  And they deserved it.  When I first started looking at Jeter autographs on Ebay a long time ago, at least 70%-80& of the Jeter autographs were forgeries.  Same with Mantle.  It is a lot different today.  Yes, there are still Jeter and Mantle forgeries on Ebay, but when they are found, they are removed.  Ebay will never be perfect, that would be impossible. 

In my opinion, buyers are still half the problem with it comes to sales of forgeries.  The buyers keep the sellers of forgeries in business.

Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on February 26, 2012 at 11:19am

I also give a thumbs up to E-bay for the removal of forgeries lately. It was a source of my frustrations many a time. They have done a pretty good job cleaning up their mess. Apparently going into business with the alphabets though. We shall see?

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