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Another Pink Floyd athenticty concern

Sorry to say I feel I have rooted out another very good set of Floyd forgeries and unfortunately the CD was passed by PSA/DNA, the Epperson Cert has been determined a fake.

This drum head just popped up on ebay. The CD has been passed around from dealer to dealer on ebay for a couple years now and is now passed by PSA/DNA.

I remember seeing the CD hit ebay years ago it I thought it was good but then a month or so later I saw a drum head hit ebay almost identical to the new (pictured above) and I noticed it was identical to the CD also, including one member being signed in red and thought... that was funny. So now this new one pops up and it became clear to me that these are in fact not real.

Because I have been getting in person autographs so long I am trying to present myself with a scenario that would produce these two (shown) items and the one that I saw a while ago (I can't find an image of it unfortunately) but I simply can't. Here are some bullet points.

- In person autographs never match identically from piece to piece like these do, it's like a machine signed them.

- The red pen, so getting something signed in red is not common, I has happened to me only once at a baseball game when Ozzie Smith grabbed a kids red sharpie and signed everything with it. People who would have the opportunity to get these three men should not have a red sharpie. And what? Hey Rick, can you a Dave switch on this one??? ya right.

- This is a classic forger move. Imagine him sitting at his desk with a pile of pens and little brain and screwing this one up.

- The drum head is a Chinese generic head, autograph hounds buy these in bulk for a few bucks a piece and so do the forgers. Similar to the Team Derek MO they buy hundreds of $1 bin records and they rarely even bother to properly take the price tags off, forgers are lazy and cheap. A VIP who would have the opp to lets say be in the same room as the 3 men would not have one like this ever and even if they were signed at different times it is clear that the members, given the identical signatures would have signed the CD and Head at the same time respectively so he would have had to ask them all to switch pens per signature which would never happen. So to me that eliminates that scenario.

- See the hitch in the Wright signature I circled. This is called indecision and it shows the forger couldn't continue with the flow Rick typically signs with. Rick does not do this hitch, and even if let's say he did it once cause he was bumped in a crowd or something you certainly would not see two identical.

- Since these are from the same hand I can see Dave squishing his signature flat to fit it on the CD, but not the drum head. This is dead give away.

I mean not the blow up PSA, again, but they really need to stop, take a moment, do some research when authenticating high end autographs. If you are strictly going off exemplars then you are not looking for pasterns left by forgers per say. I can't blame PSA though, it looks real with no context of the other one but they should know how hard David Gilmour is to get to sign and he should be very diligent in authenticating them.

I am interested in any feedback.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on February 2, 2015 at 4:58pm

Are you sure about that? Have you looked at the seller's other items? There are also signed items from U2, Kiss, Def Leppard, Megadeth, Deep Purple and Iron Maiden, all of which have similar provenance. The seller claims that all were obtained in person.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on February 2, 2015 at 5:31pm

omg, I wish i hadn't looked at that. Not one of those items Roger pass is real. I wonder if the COA's are even real. And this just proves one of my points, look as the multiple generic drum heads he has..... this is just sick.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on February 2, 2015 at 5:51pm

I reported him. He is in Mexico City a real hotbed for collecting.

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Permalink Reply by Bjarne Soderholm on February 2, 2015 at 6:22pm

The sellers Iron Maiden drumhead is 100% fake and I personally don't think that the COA is a real REAL. There is some things that doesn't look right on the COA. This is something that we might see more of in the future with fake autographs and fake COA's.

I also know how hard it is to get all 6 members of Iron Maiden on one item today.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on February 2, 2015 at 7:05pm

It takes a decade anymore if not longer and that is with a huge amount of effort and luck.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on February 2, 2015 at 7:15pm

I can't tell you how much I hope the COA's are fake. If Roger actually passed some of the junk I will be shocked. Even though I have recently question an item that he passed in another post I still maintain he is the best option out there. The problem is if Roger had this pile all at once in his lap he would know they were fake. It looks like there are many different dates on the COA's so I will at least recognize that out of the context of all the evidence I was able to root out mistakes can happen.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on February 2, 2015 at 7:26pm

Someone should email Roger and let him know if his unaware of these coas.
A member on forum was faking coas and doing really bad forgeries at one point in time. Naughty naughty.

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Permalink Reply by J. Mikael on February 2, 2015 at 7:25pm

You are correct on the COAs (as well as the autographs) not looking right, Bjarne.

I actually sent Roger an email about this sellers items yesterday (prompted by the horrible Iron Maiden drum head popping up on eBay). In his reply he said the COA is not his and that he would be contacting eBay about the seller. So expect the items to be gone soon (hopefully).

PS. I have been reading this forum (and known many of it's members in person) for many years, and finally decided to register.

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Permalink Reply by J. Mikael on February 2, 2015 at 7:44pm

Out of the current Iron Maiden members, Steve Harris, Janick Gers and Nicko McBrain are probably the best signers. Their signatures have also been very consistent over the past 20+ years.

Adrian Smith has shortened his signature over the years, but still signs regularly. Dave Murray signs too, but his signature is usually a mess these days. Bruce Dickinson is near impossible while on tour with Iron Maiden (and he was never easy to begin with). His signature has also degenerated and is usually just the first name (or just the first letter of it) now.

The autographs on that drum head are bad attempts at the late '80s / early '90 signatures.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on February 2, 2015 at 7:28pm

OK Gents, as far as I am concerned these COA's are not real, the Epperson signatures are all identical and I can see evidence of photoshop work. Thank baby Jesus!! If anyone here knows Rog, I would contact him asap.