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Authenticity is Everything
Authenticators... How can anyone say who is good and who isn't?
Hey guys, thank you for allowing me into the group. I do have some frustrations to express and I see it all as good honest chat, so please no one take offence as none is meant, lol.
I have been reading some of the posts in there and it seems like people like to slam some but not others. I see, Morales, Drew Max for example are some who seem to take alot of hits, yet I have seen a lot of issues with PSA/DNA as well.... At the end of the day, its strictly an opinion and nothing more..... I have several HUGE autographs, some of which I know are authentic just by the source they came from.
I have a Shoeless Joe Jackson ball that would have been signed after his playing days (and no, not by his wife, but the ball was signed by himself) but it came from a very close family relative who personally had it signed back in the day and it sat in their house for decades, it doesn't get any more genuine than that, yet when I posted a picture of it, people were quick to slam it because apparently they know it all... or do they?
Unfortunately, this industry has taken a pounding because of the a-holes who have mad a business of screwing people, I get that... but everyone also thinks they are an expert, and in some cases, people really have no clue.
As a 15 year old, I was a purchaser for several card stores here in Ontario Canada, I know Hockey Cards better than most.... I wanted to see how Beckett would rank their grading compared to my own education.... I brought it to them at a huge show we have here in Toronto 2 times a year.... they said at the time that the card should be ranked a 5 out of 10. I agreed.... 3 weeks later, their apparent "Hockey Expert" sent it back to me as a 2.5.... now, I didn't knock him out like I wanted too, lol. But I did approach them at the next show, they were embarrassed and asked me to resubmit it, it still came back less, I called them to ask.... they had no idea.... its now going back for a 3rd time.... and these are professionals who advertise as being so....
Now, getting back onto autographs, when I didn't tell people the story behind it, they said it was a fake, then when I said the story behind it, their opinions started to change..... so, at the end of the day... who is right and who isn't?
I do think that they try their best to get it right, but who will ever be 100%, not going to happen. People talk about the bad situations with Morales and Max, but I am willing to bet, they have gotten it right WAY more than not and they probably have the same winning % as PSA/DNA in the long run....
I usually don't comment on things but I do believe that in the end, if your gut tells you its good, then your most of the time going to be bang on... and no one should let that take the fun of collecting away from things. Be careful, educate yourself and make the best decision possible. I don't think guys like Max and Morales are any worse than the others to be totally honest and I have been collecting for MANY Years.... and lets not forget, people can very easily post things online that can seriously effect someones reputation and if you do your homework as suggested... it seems all of them have negative feeds posted on them....
Just my thoughts guys, again, not looking to insult anyone, but I think some posts can be a bit much....
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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I believe this is what Steve is saying rendered w/o words.
How comes it there is undisturbed ink over wear and surface disruption on the ball? Which came first? What? Where? When? Yes... but WHY? To my way of thinking, these questions about the very materials involved must be answered before the signature even comes into play - especially in this case (not because of who it claims to be, but because the wear patterns scream, to me, "PROBLEM"). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Simple inversion:
Eric
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Hello Mark,
I grant "the source" for this conversation...so-and-so had this ball for 40 years (that is only 1976/not that long ago to me). If "the source" worked in sports that's fine, but when accepted as fact that does not indicate anything about the veracity of the claim regarding this ball. Why does the ball look like this? Why should it appear so different than other signed balls of roughly the same vintage?
Granting "the source" still answers none of the material questions this ball presents, and if someone has had it for over 40 years I then will really expect an answer/explanation for its apparently unrealistic condition (not that I'd believe it but I'd certainly want to hear it. This would be true for any situation - nothing against you or "the source"). This of course leaves the signature, still to be discussed.
Eric
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Permalink Reply by Mark on
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Absolutely fair question.... The ball was one carried and played with... The kid at the time didn't expect to meet him and grabbed what he could which was an old ball...... One he played with for obviously a long time before it was signed.... I've seen things signed that aren't in good condition over the years and. Once they have it signed they put it away..... Kid brought an old ball to a park where he heard Jackson would be, had the chance to meet him and had it signed on short notice..... Perfectly logical explanation. And he had the ball longer than 40 years, I'm saying I've seen it for 40 years because of my age but my uncle had seen it for decades before that and always wanted it....
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You're dreaming
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Is this not the first character attack?
Eric
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Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on
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on the contrary , Mr gullible Please look in the mirror if you want to meet a guy with a brain of a chimpanze.e
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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on
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well that explains it. I am satisfied. next!
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"it's because you state that Maxipad & Moraless have got more right than wrong"....LOLO I spit my morning coffee up literally. I HAVE NEVER SEEN an authenticate autograph that was accompanied by either of them LOLOL. you have a lot more research to do unfortunately. AND that Joe Jackson ball was signed by Michael's Dad...just a horrible god awful forgery PERIOD!!!!send it off to Maxipad or Moraless and they will be happy to supply one of their rubber stamped certificates for you Worth LESS THAN ZERO !!!! Welcome Mark, and happy collecting!
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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on
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Terry
At least three times you mentioned the "pro-authenticators" suing each other, in-fighting all the time, and, in in your words, "hurting the hobby in every way."
Can you please point to one example of a "pro-authenticator" suing another or this in-fighting to which you refer?
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Please show me where I said that? I said everyone is bad mouthing eachother and everyone has negativity towards the other guy.... That's why I asked for people opinions on who hey classify as the best, instead it turned into everyone questioning the validity of a baseball I have which had little to do with the topic discussed..... BT I don't think your thoughts are correct to what I said....
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