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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on January 4, 2017 at 4:53pm

Here is a direct link to all 10 of his completed listings.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/frankman185/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&_i...

Sold twice total. No Epperson COA.

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Permalink Reply by Beatlesfan64 on January 4, 2017 at 4:55pm

I believe you. Makes no difference. Sale was cancelled with me.

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on January 4, 2017 at 5:00pm

You are mistaken, it does matter, because saying that Roger authenticated this (which is more likely a forgery) gives him bad reputation. People saying that tracks or Perry Cox authenticate forgeries gives them bad reputations.

In not one listing does it show a REAL coa or any for that matter, so you say you saw it but even this dealer doesn't produce it in the listings.

So it is important to get facts straight in situations dealing with reputation.

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Permalink Reply by Beatlesfan64 on January 4, 2017 at 5:28pm

Ok then, let me be clear. I saw the Epperson LOA for this item. If it was a forgery, I have no way of telling.
It was not mentioned in the listing.
As I said earlier, apparently no one here can figure out whether this is a real Lennon.
Frankly, this is quite exhausting.
Perhaps Roger himself can verify if he issued a LOA on this item?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 4, 2017 at 5:55pm

How did you see it, though, and not still have a copy of it?

Regarding authenticity, I think that it probably isn't real. There are characteristics inconsistent with what I have learned to look for in Lennon autographs. But I feel that this autograph needs to be seen in person, because it's about 80%-plus right. Any forgery that makes you think hard is a great one, because every autograph is a snowflake, unique.

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on January 4, 2017 at 6:23pm

Not to mention no one is more forged than Beatles. It is difficult on so many levels. I know I am not an expert at all and even the experts make mistakes!

However that is the nature of this industry, opinions differ and you have to keep learning. You can't just fault the authenticator by itself. The seller has some bad items and sometimes (most times) an item can ve to good to be true.

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Permalink Reply by sling on January 5, 2017 at 3:12pm

I hope that you do indeed believe you saw an Epperson LOA, but how many years ago did this happen? t it something you saw on internet or held in your hand and studied? Even if it was from Epperson, are you sure it was for this Lennon piece? These Epperson LOAs all resemble each other

And oh yeah, how good is your memory?

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Permalink Reply by sling on January 5, 2017 at 3:16pm

you can probably pay him some fee to go through past records and verify if story is true or not- go to his web site an email him

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Permalink Reply by sling on January 5, 2017 at 3:00pm

When one makes such obviously unsupported conclusions about coxx et al.,

it tends to make people think about it being an intentional attempt  to provoke -reminiscent of the anl days.

As for getting consensus on authenticity, it generally goes like this.  An excellent signed piece with great provenance will have every authenticator agree on its authenticity.  Then you have weaker pieces, where signatures aren't so clear, provenance isn't so good.  This is where you see disagreement among experts. And finally there are the obvious fakes that all experts agree on.  Your piece falls in the "weaker" pieces section hence the difference of opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 5, 2017 at 3:57pm

Perry Cox is a good friend of Frank Caiazzo's and I believe he gets Frank's opinion on a lot of his Beatles. That's a great combination of experts.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on January 5, 2017 at 4:01pm

You've got that right...

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on January 5, 2017 at 4:06pm

I have dealt with Perry, spoke to him on the phone for almost an hour just talking about Beach Boys. He is extremely knowledgeable and like to consider him a friend as I have also bought and sold with him.

I have dealt with Frank Caiazzo and had a great deal of respect for his knowledge, he is probably the most well respected in the Beatles community with Perry.

I have dealt with Roger Epperson and also have a great deal of respect for him and his opinion.

I would recommend all three. All great.

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