Authenticity is Everything
Beatles signed
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67
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It’s a full set of Neil Aspinall secretarials.
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Permalink Reply by james allen
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i bet so many of people have got aspinall autographs believing they are the real thing
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can't blame them, they got given it by the band. No reason to believe it isn't real.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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"they got given it by the band" - this is never quite true IMO.
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by the band or an offical rep of the band then.
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The latter.
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Permalink Reply by crazyrabbits23
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Two wildly different things. If you've frequented this board for a while, you'd know that the Beatles in particular had near-systemic levels of games played by their management, where "signatures" by reps would be done in private and then given to recipients, who were none the wiser.
We literally just had a user come here a couple weeks back, swearing up and down that the four(!) sets of signatures his father had passed down to him were legitimate because he was a ticker-checker on a flight the band was on, but he couldn't confirm if he saw the signatures done IP, or if someone gave them to him after the fact.
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Fair enough but why would anyone believe they are fake? You see the band ten meters away, you ask for an auto, a guy walks off and then returns a few minutes later with a signed pic. At that point everyone would believe they were real because why not.
I'm sure you could take one look and spot the difference but I can't and I am sure very few could in 1964 either. I mean they were even being bought and sold for years at auction before anyone cottened on.
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Why? Because there are a number of "things" between you and the signers. "The guy walks off..."
I have sent stuff backstage, especially after meeting the band, and have been handed authentic autographed items, but that is the exception.
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They are. Yes, I was thinking of that thread. He never showed the photo - very easy. The signed item might well have been in the photograph, which I mentioned, but that didn't interest the OP.
It is "authenticity by association" and that is simply not enough. "Searing up and down" often enough leads to a secretarial, or someone like "Mama Jean", Neil, Mal, or Pat Saddleman etc.
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I also thought of that member after reading James’ comment. The member messaged me and said that he has affidavits from his father and two witnesses. He also complained that I was implying that his father fabricated the story. He doesn’t even allow for the possibility that the cards were handed to someone for the Beatles to sign. It would be so easy to know for sure.
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Unless one is afraid of the answer - a commonality in some of these situations. Just a photo of the sigs...not even the plane photo which, unless it does indeed show something identifiable, means nothing apart from his father being there. The sigs have to align. I suspect they do not, maybe they do, but we will likely never know.
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