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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 7, 2023 at 9:38pm

I think it’s real too. You can see where the pen bounced across the seam at the end of John’s and Ringo’s signatures.

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Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on March 7, 2023 at 9:55pm

It's interesting that the OP ink is so much lighter than the two other marker pen examples that have been posted. I expect this is due to slightly different inks being used rather than light exposure. Personally, I prefer the "OP look". The others look like they were written yesterday and jar with the aged patina of the sleeve.

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Permalink Reply by 0800Autocollect on March 8, 2023 at 1:44am

You have to wonder when the members of the Beatles realised their autographs were worth money. Starr in particular hated non Beatles making any money off them so a 20k album would be very annoying for him.

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Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on March 8, 2023 at 6:53am

This may be a silly question but is the OP album totally "new to the market"? If so, I guess it should be added to the signed album census. It seems wierd that it has zero provenance. 

I presume the other two marker pen examples posted are already in the census.

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Permalink Reply by james conger on March 8, 2023 at 8:53am

Very clever IMO but not a 60s marker nib 100% ' There's a Place ' & its Omega Auctions once more , it will sell , they always do ! No way would a black live ink on laminate still be the same colour as matching on a 1960s brown card  , it would be purple on laminate after 60 years Fact . 

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on March 8, 2023 at 8:16pm

Interesting, although the back cover of the UK PPM Lp is not laminated.  In any event these signatures look “manufactured” to me. Somethings not quite right IMO.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 8, 2023 at 11:54pm

They could be transfers of high-res copies of genuine autographs: not live ink. 

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 9, 2023 at 8:09am

If so, it definitely was done very cleverly. It looks like the angle of John’s pen changed after it hit the seam. 

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Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on March 9, 2023 at 11:06am

I may be over-analyzing here but isn't it a bit odd that the Lennon and Starr autographs both go over the seam to an almost identical extent?

Also, I don't recall seeing Lennon often lifting so much after the last "n". Somehow the lift doesn't look natural to me. I learned very recently from a forensic handwriting examiner and graphologist (a real and highly-respected one) that the end of a person's signature is usually very consistent indeed. The two other "n"s in John's surname also look a bit awkward and not free-flowing.

What year (or even year and month) would these autographs appear to be from?

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Permalink Reply by spaceman on March 9, 2023 at 11:21am

IMO this is a just another forgery. The only close signature is Ringo. George, John, and Paul all have  issues for me.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 9, 2023 at 11:35am

It's certainly one that should not be bid on without an in-person examination. 

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on March 9, 2023 at 12:48pm

Agree - No provenance, just appears with no priors, too good to be true.  If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck …..

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