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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Dubroni on
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Dylan doesn't need bad publicity. He has already admitted fault. He will not fight a lawsuit. He will settle in a hurry......(in my opinion)
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He and his people are probably just waiting for the next shoe to drop. By admitting such egregious fault, he has put himself open to legal action, and he knows it......(in my opinion).
Oh, and during the legal action, hire some pickets to protest outside his retail outlets. He'll love that! AND the media will love it even more!
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Servi, have you ever watched CNN? The majority of their viewers tune in perhaps once a day for 15 minutes, so CNN has to be "redundant". The commenters here don't do what you did and read all the posts, they don't have the time or interest.They comment about a recent post.
I commented a while ago that Dylan would win any lawsuit. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't bring a lawsuit. There is the court of public opinion. Dylan would lose big time in the court of public opinion if there was a class action lawsuit and he fought it. He can't afford that. He admitted his "error of judgement", and he has to morally accept the damages that he has caused to his art market. The drop in value will be huge - old editions, new editions, future editions - all will drop. When people lose trust a business that is based on trust - it tanks..... He is responsible for ruining a good thing (for him). HE HAS TO SETTLE. HE HAS NO CHOICE....Imagine CNN being "redundant" (your favorite word) and running a story like "Bob Dylan Fans Sue Him" every 15 minutes, over and over again.....
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Servi, it is not clear that you can't sue Dylan. You can, as they say,"sue a ham sandwich". That doesn't mean you will win the law suit, but you can force a meaty settlement - if the person being sued has a very valuable reputation to protect. Do you think Bob Dylan wants to subject himself to depositions????
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Permalink Reply by Mikex on
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I bet those ebay listings don't mention they might not be Dylan's signature. Thus offloading on to another unsuspecting victim. Funny that.
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- Has anyone tried to consign a limited edition signed print to RR? At least you will find out if the resale market is toxic in limited edition prints.
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Permalink Reply by Al on
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Take note publishers and galleries, this is what an LOA that's exactly worth the paper it's printed on looks like.
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Now Al, that would be how an incompetent business would operate. Castle is WAY beyond such simple methods, they BUILD trust between the artist and company by not asking such annoying questions like "you signed these by hand, right Bob?" and the really annoying question of "can we have a rep present or can you provide proof of this to reassure the customer they're not being hosed?" I mean, only an untrustworthy business would dare ask proof of any multi-million dollar endeavor between the artist, the business, and the future customers. Those requests are for the uneducated, uncultured Rube that doesn't understand how things run in the REAL world...
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I followed up on my 2020 Mondo Scripto Set. No direct answer to my question about when and how the prints were signed/validated. And they had the nerve to say the prints went up in value and tried to sell me another.
See below:
Hi Ian,
Please confirm the dates when the 2020 Mondo Scripto prints were signed and confirm how it was validated by the gallery that Dylan personally signed the prints.Great to hear from you.We have received a letter from Dylan confirming everything. Please find attached.This whole situation coupled with the opening of his new exhibition in Rome https://www.wantedinrome.com/whatson/bob-dylan-exhibition-at-maxxi-...
has lead to a huge increase in in enquires/purchases.Is there any of his work you are particularly interested in Joel? This one its getting the most attention! https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/new-york-skyline-seen-f...Also would you consider work?Warm regardsIan CollumbellClient Manager • Castle Fine Art
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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on
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Lol, “a letter from Dylan confirming everything.” Right, it confirms he passed off autopen prints to Castle who did not catch them due to failures in their processes. The internet had to do their job for them.
A relationship built on trust, which was broken, yet they continue to trust him (apparently blindly, as I haven’t seen any claim of a change to their processes, ie witnessing the signings).
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