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Bob Dylan via Simon & Schuster anyone brave enough ?

They insist hand signed ….

https://www.simonandschuster.com/p/philosophy-of-modern-song-signed...

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on November 17, 2022 at 12:25pm

Plus you have S&S letter of Authenticity hand signed by the CEO's / MD's or whoever they say they are in both the UK and USA guaranteeing the 99 UK Copies and 900 US copies are genuine - so it's simple if they are not genuine - sue the person who has signed the letters, take them to the cleaners and put them behind bars! !

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Permalink Reply by Jor-El on November 17, 2022 at 12:36pm

The problem would be in proving these are not actually hand signed.

You can have statements from JSA, PSA, ACOA or whatever, but they are all 3rd party opinions. You'd have to find a legal team and judge who understand what an autopen is and bring a lot of money to go up against a publisher who just pocketed $600.000 on these books alone.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on November 17, 2022 at 12:43pm

So what if Bob turned around and says he hasn't signed any of these?? That would kind of blow statements from anybody else out of the water!

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on November 17, 2022 at 12:21pm

My payment for the coles book is shown as Danny boy trading

Premiere is just premiere..

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Permalink Reply by Matt W. on November 17, 2022 at 12:25pm

I just looked up Cole's and they mention that Danny Boy trading is their registered company name. So nothing suspect there.

https://coles-books.co.uk/about

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Permalink Reply by Jor-El on November 17, 2022 at 12:25pm

Danny Boy Trading is Coles Books' legal name.

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on November 17, 2022 at 12:28pm

Great job! Thank you for this info.. this means S&S created a COA without actually seeing a book?

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Permalink Reply by ae728934 on November 17, 2022 at 2:53pm

I don't think we could *quite* say that for sure, since the bulk of any book shipment goes from the printer to the distribution center as stock, and just a (usually small) number of advances hit the office (I'd think especially for a limited release). So it wouldn't surprise me that she hadn't seen one herself. It would be very strange if no one at S&S saw an advance copy at all, but I don't think we can quite glean that just because *she* didn't see a copy.

What a saga!

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Permalink Reply by Robert on November 17, 2022 at 12:25pm

Another scenario would be with S&S being another victim of a fraud which came from Dylan's camp. It is possible they have signed his book contract with a condition to sell 1000 autographed copies, then sent over pages for Dylan to sign, but signing itself has been "handled" by his team, not the publisher. Those pages are then binded into books. Of course it would still be a publisher's fault in such case, as their QC team should inspect closely the received signatures before binding them into the books, but they might not be the ones behind the scam. Just a theory though, we will find out tomorrow what we are dealing with.

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Permalink Reply by Matt W. on November 17, 2022 at 12:30pm

I think this is the most realistic situation here. I know that a lot of authors are given items to sign at their own leisure and Bob's team signed them through an Autopen. After S&S got a rejected order from Indigo a few weeks ago, it's just going to be interesting to see if they are continuing to sell that same shipment or if they fixed the issue by making Bob sign additional tip in pages. It's really on S&S for not doing QC and Bob's team for not being transparent.

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Permalink Reply by Jor-El on November 17, 2022 at 12:42pm

I could believe this when the Indigo book was shown and they pulled it, but they've since put out all the stops to make us believe they are real, by adding letters of authenticity, putting notices on the website and trying to shift blame to their ecommerce partner.

The books themselves are not any more special than the regular edition that retails for around $30. The production costs are a fraction of that. If you're of good intent you investigate the autopen claim and if confirmed you cut out the 'signed' pages and sell the books cheap to Wallmart or Amazon Warehouse deals.