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Elton john urgent
hi, is this autograph real? it's rushed but it seems the version in person. Thank you.
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Permalink Reply by Robert Deacon on
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Fake sadly
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Not authentic IMO
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Permalink Reply by KaiMi on
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Well, this one was obtained in person:
Looks quite similar to yours, so it might be good. Hard to tell with this rushed stuff he signes nowadays.
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Maybe. But as I said: This one has an exact photo proof:
So we shouldn't be too hasty in our judgement.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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This image is worthless - the item is not shown signed. I'd be wary of any dealer who calls this photo-proof as that is a lie in this case. This is proof of nothing at all - someone got near Elton, that's all. Bad sellers do this all the time. Some collectors fall for it.
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If you are saying the image above is the same photo in the so-called "Proof Photo" where did the white margin go?
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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In person graphers usually have a backing for celebrities to sign on. True, this is photo is not proof.. but the missing white margin can be explained
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Wie können Sie sich so sicher sein? Ja, der Fotograf steht Elton definitiv sehr nahe. Warum sollte er sein Foto nicht ein paar Sekunden später signieren lassen? Vielleicht hielt er es nicht für nötig, hinterher ein zweites Foto zu machen.
Die Signatur selbst ist mit einem Stift geschrieben, der zu dem passt, den Elton in der Hand hält, und scheint intuitiv geschrieben zu sein und sieht aus wie eine hastig geschriebene Version seiner Signatur, wie sie heutzutage ist. Der weiße Rand ist für mich einfach ein Stück der Unterlage.
Der Verkäufer ist übrigens ein persönlicher Jäger aus Ungarn.
Aber warten wir auf Richard Booth.
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How can I be so sure? The photo does not show a signature at all. Photo-proof is when you have a photo that shows the signed item - like the Smashing Pumpkins set I sold. Photographs of each signer and cleary shows in the photograph so that it could be matched. Anything else is non-sense and speculation.
"...very close to Elton. Why shouldn't he have his photo signed a few seconds later? Maybe he didn't think it necessary to take a second picture afterwards..."
Errant hopeful speculation - the photo is not proof of anything at all, period.
This is what real photo-proof looks like, with the negatives - click for full images:
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I agree and was caught out years ago in a similar scenario. The seller only had a photo of the signer and the photo but not them signing it and I bought it. Days later I saw the same seller selling the same photo in another auction as proof and they repeated this several times.
Topps and some sellers get actual photo and video proof of them getting items signed but you pay a premium
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