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Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on September 4, 2011 at 1:41pm

You're very right about that signed publicity shot, Eddie. It sold some time ago on eBay for $275. It isn't good.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 4, 2011 at 8:32am

My take away from this thread is that I won't be getting an Elvis autograph, as much as I would love to have one. Unless I can be almost 100% certain, I don't want it in my collection.  The fakes are just too numerous and too good. Even the inscribed examples are far from being anywhere near safe.

 

Further, even if you did invest in one that was 100% real, its value will be eroded by what appears to be an ever increasing supply entering the market.

 

Next.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 4, 2011 at 8:53am

It appears that, unless if you have ironclad provenance, no signature can be trusted.

 

What appears to be as good as gold and offered through a reputable dealer today, may be revealed to be a fake 3 years from now when people connect the dots and realize 100 suspiciously similar others have entered the market ("To Mary" for example).

 

No thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 4, 2011 at 4:31pm

Van derhoven has, on occasion, observed that:

"What appears as "not likely genuine" and discarded by a reputable dealer today, may be revealed to be genuine 3 years from now when people connect the dots."

 

While this may have happened, quite frankly, the former scenario probably outnumbers it 100 to 1.  I can't think of one instance of a STYLE being deemed a fake and then discovering later it was not. 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 4, 2011 at 12:18pm

Who do you have with real Elvis expertise that will share their knowledge, Greg?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 4, 2011 at 4:33pm

Just wonderful unbiased reporters such as Brick Hunter!

Is there a separate article somewhere. What am I missing?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 4, 2011 at 4:48pm

Greg,

What you suspect is not the case. Frankly, you're a fool.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 4, 2011 at 5:22pm

Actually, let me use the example of the new Elvis forgeries as a case in point--since that's what incensed me most of all.

They were discovered by RR Auction, Roger Epperson and Rich Consola--which you knew about even before I said it in this thread, because Bobby Livingston at R&R gave you an image to use.

So for you to say these auction houses and authenticators are essentially conspiring to call bad material good in order to have more available, after knowing where the forgeries were discovered, is a disservice to them and the autograph hobby.

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Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on September 4, 2011 at 7:36pm

Oh, so those were pulled? Very interesting.

 

Mr Zipper has a good point about provenance. With the most-forged, most expensive pieces out there, it's hard to rely solely on the opinion of an authenticator or your own opinion even and be supremely confident.

 

The first Elvis piece I ever bought years ago came from Memphis. It was from a woman who had been one of the "gate people" that stood outside the gates of Graceland, hoping to get a glimpse of the coming and goings of Elvis. She had a picture of herself with Elvis there at Graceland when she was lucky enough to get him to sign. I spent about three hours with her family and even ate dinner with them. I got a letter from her too. I'm as certain of the authenticity as any Elvis piece I've seen and the "ironclad provenance" is the cherry on top.

 

I don't think the average collector realizes how many forgeries there are out there and how many headaches it can give honest authenticators and auction houses when they're trying to sort it out.

 

I don't think Greg is a fool. He's basically impartial. I think the work he did on the Jimi Hendrix study and the Jackie Gleason study (which enlightened people like me) precludes him from being one. He probably gets a little too drunk while listening to the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

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Permalink Reply by Eddie Anderson on September 5, 2011 at 7:39am

Thanks Greg!

I feel very honored to hear that from a pro expert.

Its all thanks to you seniors.

Thank you very much

Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on September 4, 2011 at 1:44pm

As far as I know at this time early Elvis signatures aren't as forged. Mid-fifties signature where he didn't attach the "P" to the "Elvis" and ones that were generally smaller back then. A nice "Elvis Presley" style signature (not "ElvisP resley") sold at RR last month for around $1,100 with the buyer's fees. It was a book with tons of famous country music singer signatures. A real piece of history. I don't know what people are thinking when they go out on eBay and buy a facsimile signature on the back of a record that has been traced over in blue ink for $600.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 4, 2011 at 5:09pm

Greg,

You kept making accusations against people with no basis that there's some bizarre conspiracy between legit authenticators, dealers and auctions. You're harassing the people who are trying as hard as they can to sell legit material or protect collectors. When I ask you to take this topic seriously, you refuse to. And it's all been great fun to you.

I hate to see you go, but I'd rather have you leave than continue doing that. It would have been nice if you really took me seriously.

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