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Permalink Reply by John key on February 18, 2020 at 6:28am

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 18, 2020 at 7:35am

These are two George Michael signed Patience CDs, not for sale, from fans that I believe are reliable sources. Compare them to the one in the original post:

https://stevepafford.com/597-2/

https://gramho.com/media/2002376876589687243

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 18, 2020 at 7:37am

Here's a comparison image with the one in the original post between the two I just posted:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 18, 2020 at 7:46am

These are the 2 wrinkled papers that the same seller in the OP sold:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/George-Michael-Vintage-Autograph-Signed-80...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/George-Michael-Vintage-Autograph-Signed-80...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 18, 2020 at 10:11pm

I permanently removed Brandon Ortiz, and his aliases, Robin Mathews and Roberto Morales, whoever they all are. Note, everyone, that ziggycollects is an eBay name that Ortiz, whoever he really is, is using.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Morris on February 18, 2020 at 10:17pm

Nice work! It's unbelievable the lengths some people go to in order to try to sell something. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 18, 2020 at 11:03pm

The wrinkled pages look like they could be real; I don't know. I have a lot of doubts about the one offered for $350. But these 3 Autograph Live accounts, and the eBay seller, have one person's writing style. Even more, they are acting in unison. So you can't trust anything about any of them.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 19, 2020 at 8:22pm

Here's a George Michael signed 8x10 with Roger's LOA & PSA.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Morris on February 19, 2020 at 10:33pm

The PSA one you posted Steve is a stunning example, really beautiful image. 

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Permalink Reply by James on February 19, 2020 at 10:24pm

After my initial two postings in this discussion, I didn’t  come back to this discussion until very late last night where I saw how this whole thread had kind of blown up.  I’m not trying to stir the pot, but I thought this was relevant information.  However, I didn’t feel like posting last night.

I actually sold an authentic George Michael signed Patience CD to eBay seller ziggycollects several months ago because I was trying to raise funds for another purchase.  The GM autograph I sold is not the one in the OP.  But I will post a pic of it.  The one I sold to ziggy was one I purchased two years prior from a Long Island woman who had actually attended the George Michael signing at the Virgin Megastore in NYC on June 14, 2004.  She not only included the original Customer Pass from the event but also the original Virgin Megastore receipt for the Patience CD she had to buy to get George Michael to sign.  That receipt is on original Virgin paper and dated June 14, 2004.  

The signed Patience CD I sold Ziggy I’m 100% certain is authentic.  When I sold it to ziggy, I had listed it for $475.  Ziggy offered $450, and I accepted.  So I know Ziggy has at least one authentic GM in his collection.  I do believe he is a George Michael collector, and I do believe everything he has been offering for sale is authentic.  I do, however, also believe that he has fallen on hard times.

And Steve, I also believe, like you do, that Brandon, Robin, Alberto, and Ziggy are all the same person.  So why did Alberto do this?  My only guess is that he is truly desperate to sell due to difficult financial times.

Ziggy has been trying to sell the OP for several months.  And also 4 months back or so (I’m not sure exactly) when I saw Ziggy had this George Michael for sale I was interested, but I was more interested in getting my original GM signed CD back.  I messaged both Ziggy and Alberto about this as Alberto had posted the one I sold him for sale on AML.  

Alberto said he would sell “mine” for $425 because it came with the original Customer Pass, the original receipt, and a note of provenance from the original owner (yes, I had received that too).  He asked me if I could hurry up and decide because he had rent due and other bills to pay.  

So Alberto aka Ziggy was willing to sell for $425 what he had originally bought for $450.  AND he had listed it on eBay I believe for $425 which would mean on top of a $25 loss, he would also take another $42.50 loss due to ebay fees.  So he was willing to lose almost $70.  Why?  I would assume clearly it was due to financial necessity.

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Permalink Reply by James on February 19, 2020 at 10:26pm

Here is the one I sold Ziggy.

I’ll try later.  Posting the pic wasn’t working.

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Permalink Reply by James on February 19, 2020 at 10:36pm

So if you’re wondering why I didn’t mention I had familiarity with the seller in the beginning, it’s because I was simply commenting on the OP autograph and giving it a thumbs up or down just like we all do in most discussions.  

And most of the time our comments do in fact revolve simply around the structural integrity of the autograph.  Steve, you thought it was fake, and I absolutely did not think it was.  I still don’t think Alberto sells fake autographs.

If your wondering what I paid for the GM signed CD that I sold Alberto, I bought for $400 less than a month after George Michael passed away.

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