Authenticity is Everything
Has anyone tried this Verimarx Ai tool that's advertised on this site?
Was wondering if anyone here has used it here and had it work well? I can't find much information on this tool, supposedly it detects forgeries, just wanted thoughts on it.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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Dom, Jackie Gleason reminds me. Secretarials: You often don't see general signs of forgery in secretarials signed by people who often proxy-sign for a person. You'll rarely find hesitation, shakiness, and other things VeriMarx probably looks for, because they're experienced and confident.
What you often find, though, are inscriptions commonly signed by a proxy signer that you often don't find from the actual celeb, autographs on photos or other items the celeb rarely signs in public—and in most cases, pre-eBay celebs signed slips of paper, cards, or whatever was around.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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Good point Steve. I have yet to see Gleason use a dash like Spear did.
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Permalink Reply by Dominick Lisi
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That is a very fair point, and I agree. Secretarials can be especially challenging because they often do not show the obvious signs people associate with forgery. When a proxy signer is experienced, the writing may look smooth, natural, and confident, so the usual red flags are not always there.
That is why the surrounding context matters so much, including the type of item signed, the inscription style, and whether the piece matches what the celebrity was actually known to sign in public. With many pre-eBay celebrities, authentic examples were often on simple paper, cards, or whatever was available, so those historical habits are important.
It is also one of the reasons we were asking the community to help. We want VeriMarx to become a system that is genuinely valuable and accurate, and that only happens by learning from knowledgeable collectors who understand these nuances. Input like this helps us improve the system in the areas where nuance matters most.
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As good as the major TPAs are—I think they're pretty darn good overall—there are 2 common complaints:
- You don't know who is authenticating your autograph.
- If your autograph fails authentication, they don't tell you specifically why.
With VeriMarx, you know "who's" reviewing and analyzing your autograph. It is.
And it tells you specifically why it came up with the analysis results it did.
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After that, they still recommend "forensic examination." This seems another step to decide if a TPA is warranted. That can all be done by a diligent collector IMHO.
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Eric,
That is exactly how a diligent collector becomes knowledgeable — by understanding the why behind an opinion, not just the conclusion. That is what VeriMarx is intended to do.
You are also right that, at its core, this is about helping arm a collector with more knowledge so they can better decide whether a third-party authentication is warranted. It is not meant to replace learning, and it is not meant to discourage careful review. In many ways, it is meant to support that process by helping collectors identify the kinds of characteristics and questions they should be paying attention to in the first place.
A diligent collector can absolutely do a great deal on their own. The reality, though, is that not every collector has the same depth of experience across every signer, format, or era. VeriMarx is designed to help shorten that learning curve, reinforce informed examination, and make that knowledge more accessible. The goal is not blind reliance — it is better-informed decision-making. See “Operation Bullpen”…
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67
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The goal is to explain the why — identifying potential forgery indicators, common forgery techniques, and inconsistencies, and then comparing those observations against known authentic representations where applicable.
That would seem to be only half of the equation. It’s important to compare signatures against known forgery styles in order to identify consistencies with those styles, and not just inconsistencies with known authentic exemplars.
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+1 Like all those "Ringo's" from several years ago, or the dunkin R&R Nimoy's etc.I think this was thread.
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