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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 4, 2019 at 3:27pm

Hi Sam,

Sorry to say those are well-known forgeries. The Mantle is most evident. I believe these are signed by machine.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Bucco on November 4, 2019 at 4:05pm

is that specific authenticator well-known for forgeries? Fine Art Wholesalers, Inc.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 4, 2019 at 3:27pm

sorry but this is a well-documented mass produced forgery.  Please get your money back.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Bucco on November 4, 2019 at 4:06pm

is there a link to show me it's mass produced? thanks

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 4, 2019 at 4:50pm

there have been hundreds of discussions on this site regarding these forgeries.  Try the search field.  

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 4, 2019 at 5:01pm

Here's a post by Chris Williams about them: https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/the-florida-forgeri...

And another one by Chris back in 2015: https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/ebay-mantle-dimaggi...

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Permalink Reply by Steve on November 4, 2019 at 5:22pm

100% fake.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Bucco on November 5, 2019 at 5:55am

Can you send me 100% proof that this specific piece is fake? or the authenticators?

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 5, 2019 at 6:12am

you came here for free opinions and you got several. Even when you pay PSA or JSA for an opinion, that is all you get.  Steve sent you a link to Chris Williams' discussions on this forgery style.  That is all the proof you need. Be proactive, study the signatures and learn.  You seem to be hung up on COA's.  Try submitting this to one of the quick opinion services from PSA or Beckett and see what comes back.  The price alone should be a red flag.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Bucco on November 5, 2019 at 6:15am

i'm on the side of thinking it's fraud. I just wanted to see if there's any definitive proof showing this exact COA as fake or anything directly showing me it's fake

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Permalink Reply by Steve on November 5, 2019 at 8:22am

Sam, once you get to know what the authentic signatures look like, their characteristics, you will clearly see that these are fake.  We have nothing to gain by telling you the truth about these.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Bucco on November 5, 2019 at 8:25am

i agree with you. however there is someone who isn't as willing to believe people online. Is there any concrete evidence you can give me that will show this particular piece or authenticator is fake? I'm in the process of proving it's fraud to a person.

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