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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on June 9, 2017 at 8:08am

Ooh. This is PSA approved?

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Permalink Reply by Rich on June 9, 2017 at 8:09am

Doubt it.

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Permalink Reply by Invest_In_Graphs on June 9, 2017 at 2:32pm

PSA passed this one??

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Permalink Reply by J.Seah on June 3, 2017 at 1:19pm

Wow !!! Exact same replica of a known authenticated KC signed autograph.
What are the chances???

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Permalink Reply by Matt Franzen on June 3, 2017 at 5:10pm

Which 2 are you referring to Tomi?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 3, 2017 at 6:48pm

Tom, after seeing the card and yours, I would be concerned. You said yours was obtained IP, by who? Also wondering why yours appears to exhibit features of a mechanical signature? I played with the images, and yours appears a copy, with the most obvious difference being altered placement of first and last names. They are much more than similar in overlay to my eye; this much in common but with different placement really indicates something is wrong to me.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 3, 2017 at 7:22pm

Tomi, here is  a quick and rough overlay of yours and the card that J.Seah posted. Do you see a problem? See the two images below this one.

First name placement:

Last name placement:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 3, 2017 at 8:43pm

Tomi,

They are machine making forgeries today where they use a genuine example and make small variations in it. They're extremely hard to discern, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are getting past the top third-party authenticators. Some other processes are.

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Permalink Reply by 00700 on June 3, 2017 at 11:54pm

Dear Eric and Steve,

First of all you are right and I'm wrong. I've been collecting autographs seriously for more than 25 years and this example shows that even the wisest of us make mistakes.

Even if I have met personally dozens of world class celebrities, Kurt Cobain was not one of them.

And even if I'm having the collection of Uncle Eric (famous in-person autograph collector from Finland), Kurt Cobain was one of the few music stars he did not get because Eric was not able to travel to the festival that time.

This piece of paper (claimed to have the in-person signature of him) came to my attention from a Finnish music lover. I did the best research I could and made a mistake. It really looked like a real one. It even had "Ruisrock 1992" written behind it proving that it really had been got while the band visited here.

But I was wrong and want to thank Eric and Steve for their contribution. In the future I will represent here only items which are 150 % genuine and authentic ones - either personally got by me - or personally got by Uncle Eric (and by nobody else).  

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 4, 2017 at 12:36am

Tomi,

You don't owe anyone an apology. I'm sorry to hear you may have ended up with a forgery (one of the two must be, but I haven't looked super-close at yours to see if there are signs it was machine-made). It's especially sad because Cobain is so rare and expensive.

Do you have a chance of getting a refund? I hope so.

Please post any autographs you want to discuss, whether you're sure they are genuine or not. That's what Autograph Live is here for. Just don't offer them for sale on this site unless you're sure they're real.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 4, 2017 at 11:08pm

Hi Tom, I too am sorry your about your Cobain. Hopefully you can get a refund as Steve said.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Booth on June 3, 2017 at 2:49am

Sorry Matt, the In Utero item is not real.

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