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Permalink Reply by James on November 2, 2018 at 12:10am

The only two that I think could possibly be authentic are the second one in the top row, and the last one in the bottom row, moving left to right.  The others I’m pretty certain are not authentic.  However, if they all came from the same source, then the two that might be real are likely not.

And welcome to the autograph-collecting world! It’s a fun hobby.  It just takes time, effort, and patience to make sure you get the real thing.  And when you do, it’s awesome...especially when you get a real MJ...the King of Pop!

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Permalink Reply by James K. on November 2, 2018 at 1:25am

James the 2 autentic ones in which pic ?

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 3:44am

Every single one of them is an Erick McKay forgery.  All of them. 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 3:51am

Here are more from the same forger.  https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/lot-of-michael-jack...

Where were the others listed "idk"?

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Permalink Reply by idkkamila on November 2, 2018 at 4:15am

these one's were actually sold to me privately by an account on ebay called 'bluelifesaver.' I saw that name in the other forum and my stomach dropped. Really sad realization. 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 4:20am

How did you pay for it? 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 4:30am

I should also warn you as well, if you write to him, he will deflect.

Here's some things he'll say:

I am apparently 5-7 different people on this forum.

I work for PSA/DNA (I have never worked for them nor do I claim they are any good, in fact they make dangerous mistakes, as does Beckett, but they cannot be expected to get it right 100% of the time)

I work for Roger Epperson (I have NEVER worked for Roger).

This forum is biased (LOL) sure we are.

I am trying to cut him out of business by claiming he's fake so I can sell my own autographs (I have NEVER EVER ONCE sold an autograph).

Nobody can be sure unless you are there - that the signature is fake.  (Actually - you can - if a fake is so fake, and nothing like MJs you can call it, I've also studied Erick's fake signatures since 2010.)

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Permalink Reply by idkkamila on November 2, 2018 at 4:33am

For me it wasn't a man sending me messages. It was actually a woman. I asked her where she got these and she said her husbands a lawyer and gets gifts from people. 

I'm not saying it makes it any more real or anything just that the experience is different. Maybe different strategy?

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Permalink Reply by idkkamila on November 2, 2018 at 4:34am

And also the name from the payment order, I looked it up and it actually checked out as a lawyer but maybe they got it from their friend who's faking them as well?

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 4:35am

Its a man.  He has used a gazillion different scenarios - and switches them up, pretending to be many different people.  Bluelifesaver is 100% Erick McKays account. 

I ask how you paid for them because there are ways to get your money back depending on how you paid.  It makes it more difficult though being you sent outside of eBay. :(

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Permalink Reply by idkkamila on November 2, 2018 at 4:37am

They did it through PayPal because he wanted it to be 'safer' for both of us. Can I still get a refund through there?

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 2, 2018 at 4:39am

Don't do anything just yet, because once you do - there is no way to stop the transaction.  Lets let others weigh in on how to return an item via paypal to get a refund. 

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