In reviewing the second one, it appears it may be an Autopen. The beginning stroke of the M doesn't match, but it appears real close everywhere else.
If it is an Autopen, it's the smoothest one I've ever seen. I can usually spot the Autopen shake and stop and start dots from 50 yards. This has none of that.
Well, I think I've answered my own question about my Ali (lower pic). Here it is compared to an Autopen. Damn. It really fooled me. I've never seen an Autopen so smooth. Usually they are shaky as hell.
I'm still holding out hope for the first exemplar I got TTM. <fingers crossed>