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Permalink Reply by Steve on December 11, 2018 at 6:08pm

Maverick Sabre returns with his first album since 2015 in the form of 'When I Wake Up' which sees him team up with the likes of Jorja Smith and Chronixx on a pair of tracks.

Not only is the album available in signed formats and in exclusive merchandise bundles, but when you pre-order today you'll get exclusive ticket pre-sale access to see Maverick Sabre on tour in the UK and Ireland next year.

https://mavericksabre.tmstor.es

Permalink Reply by Stalger on December 12, 2018 at 8:52am

I see three signed Van Morrison "The Prophet Speaks" cds on eBay ranging from $350 - $500.  We know these sold at $16.99 on Newbury last month and I'm not aware they were anywhere else. 

Ok, VM has shows next month at Caesar's Palace in Vegas.  If I buy his $92 seat and try to resell it, at say, $700, that would make me a "scalper."  What's the difference between the two scenarios I just described?

Permalink Reply by Nick Dominic on December 12, 2018 at 8:56am

well..there are no laws/rules saying you cannot scalp tickets online, otherwise ebay and the like would not allow it..and also there are no laws saying you cannot sell a signed or unsigned cd anywhere online..call it what you want..but both are allowed and legal..flippers on ebay and scalpers are the same, yes, just they are called two different names...

Permalink Reply by Christopher Thompson on December 12, 2018 at 9:03am

Scalpers use bots to buy up good tickets, creating an unfair advantage. People are going to flip..its part of the hobby that I hated at first but now also do it at times which helps me buy other autographs that I otherwise wouldnt be able to afford.  

Permalink Reply by Nick Dominic on December 12, 2018 at 9:09am

not always..verified presales now that LN and TM offer, curtail those bots

Permalink Reply by Stalger on December 12, 2018 at 9:14am

Thanks Nick & Christopher.  When I see stuff like this I begin to wonder what the purpose of this board is or boards like it?  Are we collectors or investors? 

Some people will say "Both." I'm not convinced the two can co-exist.  You have a collector who's buying for himself but competing against a prospector who is drying up the market and exploiting the collector - the same fashion as the scalper.

Permalink Reply by PFCollector on December 12, 2018 at 3:03pm

If someone doesnt have a lot of money its a good way to get autographs you cant afford... Buy two, sell one for twice the money you paid, and then you got yours free. That is one way it helps collectors and they could coexist...

But some people get greedy and buy 50 copies and sell for 10 times what they paid. But I guess in the end it comes down to the early bird gets the worm. Not fun when you miss out. But everyone has the same opportunity to get them from the start.

Obviously they sell out quicker due to flippers but Ive managed to get most of the ones I've wanted by checking my emails from here as quick as I can. Missed a few though. Then there's also the buyers who dont follow these threads and have enough money they dont care what they spend. So in a way theres a place for everyone... And mainly I doubt its going to change any time soon.

Its the same with in person... Dealers employ homeless or friends or anyone else to get as many things signed as they can for free... Then beg or harass the celeb to get as many as possible signed... Sometimes making them stop signing for good... Then resell for as much as they can get. Its just how it is. Good and bad of the hobby. 

Permalink Reply by Steve F on December 12, 2018 at 9:33am

Most anti-ticket scalping laws still on the books apply only to sales on the grounds of the event for which the tickets are being offered. Online sales are specifically permitted, as are licensed ticket broker resales. The latter were usually permitted; the former are now permitted thanks to the lobbying of companies like StubHub who got the laws changed, which in the past would have prohibited (or limited markups on) all non-licensed-broker sales.

On the other hand, I don't think marking up autographed items was ever banned, or else no one would have been able to sell historical autographs. Newbury or Van himself probably could have sold those CDs for $100 or more and still sold out. They apparently left a lot of money on the table!

Permalink Reply by Nick Dominic on December 12, 2018 at 9:43am

Each city has different scalping laws of where and what(licensed or not) you can sell in the proximity of the  venue..online, as far as i know, it's the wild west. I like how the likes of barnes & noble,books a million, premier collectibles(to a certain extent) and newbury actually only charge the regular price of the item whether it is signed or not.. But of course the flip side are the flippers on ebay and the like that inflate prices, which as we know dictates the worth of that item in many case across an average..what i do like about concert tix though is the fact that when it comes down to the day/time of the show, they have no choice to sell much lower if they want to move those tickets or they are worthless come show time..That is not the same with signed items.So there is that as a main difference..

Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 12, 2018 at 9:44am

If its not worth it to you, dont buy it, problem solved. The market is set by perceived value - sometimes the buyers, sometimes the seller. If nobody thinks autograph X is worth $500, nobody pays $500 and the seller can lower his price or wait for somebody to come along who does.

Supply and demand. Same for tickets, autographs, real estate, etc.

Permalink Reply by Geoff LaVeine on December 12, 2018 at 9:53am

Just because Newbury sold Van Morrison for $16.99 does anybody truly believe it was only worth that? It sold out very quickly for a reason. 

That being said, I don't see the market being $350 but it's certainly worth quite a bit more than it was originally listed at. 

Permalink Reply by Nick Dominic on December 12, 2018 at 10:38am

the market is def. worth $350 for his autograph currently on that CD. I  have a signed lyric book he put out this year called, "Lit Up inside" and i paid $100 for an autographed copy  directly from the book store in san francisco that printed up that book.They charged more for the autographed version. It currently goes for $499 to $899 on ebay. Whether you accept it or not, ebay average prices whether sold or onsale do play a part in what any item is worth. I would take that range and try to sell the average around $600 to $700..i also got one of those newbury signed cd's the other day. I haven't decided if i want to sell it or not just yet..I have personally never sold any of my signed items as i got into graphing because i am a collector at heart. i enjoy the challenge of getting autographs because i meet some very interesting people and i like to frame some stuff i get, however,My sole motivator for doing what i do is to give my kids/wife a big payday once i pass away. I know it sounds cheesy and all, but they know what i have is worth...

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