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PSA and JSA forgeries? Have you seen any you feel they possibly made a mistake on?

I'm not sure about you guys but I've seen a few in my years of searching ebay. What about you? Have you ever seen an autograph that was authenticated by a major authenticator ( EXCLUDING GAI ) that you thought was in fact a forgery?

If you have, please post scans if you have them available. I know when it comes to authentication it is hard to beat JSA or PSA but I have read stories about some errors made by the companies. The infamous Sal Bando incident is one that comes to mind http://rant.sportslizard.com/2007/12/01/jsa-authenticator-busted-on...

There are other examples very similar where JSA and PSA were at a show where an athlete was signing and someone swapped the real ball they had signed with a forgery they did before the show and the authenticator gave it the stamp of approval. The Pete Rose incident is another example of where JSA assumed because Pete Rose was signing autographs at the show they were authenticating at, that every person who put a Pete Rose autograph in front of them must have the real thing.

Here is another link that shows where a forgery may have slipped through the cracks. http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=10958

They ( PSA and JSA ) have authenticated printed signatures in books as authentic and have even authenticated a real signature of Kato Kaelin signature as being signed by Kate Hudson.

I am new here and certainly not here to cause a fuss, I am just curious as to what you guys think the % of fakes that do slip through the PSA or JSA cracks. I think we can all be wise enough to admit that forgeries do get through. There is no way they can be 100% all of the time.

I value their opinion but after looking at a Mantle that they authenticated ( It looks traced ) , I question just how good they truly are. I had a Derrick Rose autograph that failed their authentication, but in fact...It was obtained in person BY ME at a Bulls vs Bobcats game.

I saw a youtube test video where a guy forged a Bob Feller autograph on camera and sent it in to PSA and it come back slabbed. I just wonder if they are all they claim to be

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Permalink Reply by JXE on July 29, 2013 at 1:19pm

I don't fault them for going quickly when rejecting. When you know someone's signature, fakes become easy to spot in a second. It's the ones they accept that they need to put the time in on. If I'm buying a new autograph I haven't studied, I could spend hours looking at exemplars before I finally buy. I try to find all the nuances and variations before I could be comfortable.

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Permalink Reply by JXE on July 29, 2013 at 1:58pm

Since we're talking "greatest hits" here's one I posted up a while back. It's a PSA encapsulated autograph of Mick Jagger... only problem is that's Charlie Watts' signature!

I feel bad for the person who bought it. This is an example of someone not even looking at the auto alone and just assuming PSA has it covered. I don't know how this error happened, but it's an egregious mistake that cost someone a lot.

I'm on a mobile device and it wont let me post a link. It's ebay item number 270988980286

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on July 29, 2013 at 2:00pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270988980286?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2...

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Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 29, 2013 at 9:25pm

HOLY COW.... Yikes!

That hurts =/

JXE thanks for sharing and this kinda goes to my point that many collectors that PSA has it covered. Whoever bought this got burned....bad

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 29, 2013 at 9:28pm

LOL yeah they did.

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Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 29, 2013 at 9:31pm

Here is another PATHETIC ERROR BY PSA. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. This is an 8x10 photo authenticated by PSA as being signed by Andy Griffith. The problem is, the photograph is a WELL KNOWN autograph of his Agent Richard O. Linke. He signed all of Andy's fan mail and to think someone paid 40 dollars plus return shipping to have this piece of garbage authenticated makes me sick to my stomach. It is crap like this that makes me ill with PSA, because I happen to be a big fan of old TV shows and seeing this GARBAGE with a PSA sticker on it makes me just sick. The photograph below is not authentic. I have posted a personal check with his AUTHENTIC SIGNATURE. Not even close. This should have never made it through PSA. NEVER!!!!

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Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on April 1, 2015 at 6:54am

This same Andy Griffith secretarial "Linke" photograph that apparently sold for $40 in 2013, is now on eBay for $224.95!

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Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 29, 2013 at 9:40pm

I actually printed copied this and sent a letter to PSA showing me the exemplars they used to authentic it. I am an avid Montana collector and to me, this looks way off. I've only seen one other example of a full name signature and it was signed in his first year at Notre Dame. It looks nothing like this. I would even be inclined to bet that Montana himself would say he didn't sign this index card.

Here is an authentic early Joe Montana auto

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Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 29, 2013 at 9:44pm

If you saw this card and it wasn't slabbed by PSA would you buy it? I sure as hell wouldn't. I will admit I am not an expert on Mantle, but this just looks funky to say the least

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 29, 2013 at 9:47pm

I think I would buy the Mantle. I think it's good but I wouldn't touch that Montana. I've never see. Him sign like that. I've only ever had two Joe's and both were short versions.

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Permalink Reply by Charles O'Brailey on July 29, 2013 at 9:56pm

I know Montana autographs very well, as I have many in my collection. Even his full signatures NEVER LOOK LIKE THAT. That is just simply a forgery and a bad one at that.