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Restored Beatles poster.

Here's a signed poster that I'm sure most of you guys have already seen.It was sold on rr a while back and more recently on iconic.The first picture is of the piece in its original untouched condition.the second picture is of the same piece with major restoration work to it.The owner was asking me if I was Interested in buying it.With that kind of work done to a piece such as this,should I totally pass on it.How much can this effect the value?

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on February 6, 2016 at 5:08am

Everyone does indeed have their own opinion on restoration, but in the last 5 years or so, I have had 2 pieces that popped up in the shop where I work, A Chaplin page and a Babe Ruth baseball, both had faded thru the years and the owners traced over them in darker ink to make them "look nicer."

This was done by a collector, not a trained restoration specialist.....but what exactly is the difference?

I passed on both, new ink added to a vintage signature in my mind, is no longer an autograph.....it's a reproduction, or at the very kindest a secretarial.

If the same 2 pieces walked into the shop with proper restoration done by a great artist......I'd still have to pass. I collect autographs for fun and as an investment.....not tracings.

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 6, 2016 at 5:18am

+1

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Edit to add: "...but what exactly is the difference?..." - a superb question.

Permalink Reply by Paul on February 6, 2016 at 9:50am
I've been told that most of the fully signed Sgt peppers lps are i need of restoration work. My cocern with the likes of these albums,posters that have had work done to them is, if they were consigned to an auction house, how many of the experts would know that the album has been restored and how many would describe that in the listing.
Permalink Reply by Paul on February 6, 2016 at 9:56am
There is still a lot of appeal to the poster, i believe most people who want to buy this if it were in an auction wouldn't give it the thought we would. I have no doubt it would still sell in a flash.
At the moment were trying to help P.Haki out because the seller hasn't even told him about the work done to the poster.
Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 6, 2016 at 1:26pm

Would or should?

I am sure there is more to learn before any conclusions can be drawn.

Eric

Permalink Reply by sling on February 6, 2016 at 10:05am

from experience, not many

Permalink Reply by Paul on February 6, 2016 at 10:08am
Would rr auctions pick it up?
Permalink Reply by sling on February 6, 2016 at 10:29am

yes

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 6, 2016 at 12:41pm

Pete Chuka will correct me if I am wrong, but a simple UV light will reveal all there is to see? I picture Luna Park. Between that and Photoshop...but more info is still needed. Intent and all is unknown, if any. Don't want to be premature. I don't even know who the seller is.

Eric

Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on February 6, 2016 at 1:49pm

You probably won't even need any special equipment. Looking at a piece that has been restored under a standard light bulb and catching the light the right way, will show you areas that have been painted over, or areas where paper has been reattached or added.

A regular magnifying glass will show you areas where parts don't match.

It isn't the Beatles, but the Star Wars autograph community is always sending stuff off for restoration. The biggest reason is people like Frank Oz (God's gift to those of us in my age bracket) The man entertained us as children on Sesame Street, The Muppets, Empire Strikes Back & Jedi....then decided to become one of the great under-rated directors of our time. But I digress, Frank will not sign anything without inscribing it to the recipient, and that has been the case for the past 20 years. So every poster with his autograph signed in that time frame is inscribed to someone, and if the piece sells , the new owner gets the inscription removed by sending it off to be restored.

I've seen great jobs, and terrible jobs, but they all tend to be some variation of painting over the inscribed area, and trying to match the art. That paint is there... no matter what, and you can see it by shining a light on it.

Higher end jobs include chopping the area out and replacing the area with another piece from another poster of the same design and stock. Again looking closely you can see the area where work was done , even if linen backed and going all out.

 

 

   

Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on February 6, 2016 at 11:07am

it is kind of like hiring a  professional to paint a barn purple, or spray painting it yourself in the end you still have a purple barn.

Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on February 6, 2016 at 5:00pm
Ok ,I just corresponded with the seller via email and I asked him what he knew about the piece,how long he has owned it,what kind of condition its in? Etc.

He replied "not to long ,I got it as part of a trade.Its near mint,been cleaned and treated by Jaime Mendez the top archivist on the planet.Hes famous for being the lead archivist of a stash of movie posters found in nyc worth many millions."

Then I told him that it was heavily restored and he said.
"No,I wasn't aware of that.Do you have a photo?"
So I sent him the before and after.he then responded,

"I still think at 5300 pounds it presents an investment.to have a piece signed as it is and signed four times by Paul on such a large format you aren't going to find anything in this quality any time soon."
He then said.

" that work can only have been done by Jaime.At this time that doesn't worry me because he is the best there is.He restored a poster not long ago that sold just shy of 1 mil so it's been done by the best"
Then he said
" I'll leave it with you,let me know what you wish to do.its been a learning curve for me,I didn't realize it had undergone restoration in that manner.I assumed he had cleaned and treated it.i understand if you don't wish to proceed.The price remains 5300 pounds delivered as its immaculate and the signatures untouched.A restoration like that would cost well in the excess of 1000 pounds as well."
He ended our conversation with,

"I'm assuming you no longer want the piece which I under stand.i can guarantee I didn't realize it had been restored and thank you for bringing it to my attention,I appreciate that"


Well there it is,what do you guys think of all that senseless chatter.

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