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Roger Waters signature study PART 2

Gents

 I haven't touched on this aspect of Waters forgeries yet so here ya go. This autograph got my attention cause I saw how slowly the "R" looked like it was signed in the middle. I think most of you can see what I mean. I also didn't like the "er" really and also the two hooks in the "W". This made me look a little closer only to see yet another top TPA passed it. THEN I saw the smoking gun, the two strokes in the R were signed out of order. It is hard to see but take a look at the graphic. I have seen this many times and very common in fake Waters

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PINK-FLOYD-SIGNED-HELLO-I-LOVE-YOU-ALBUM-LP...

Here is a clearly fake one that shows you better what I am talking about with the strokes being out of order. This one is not authenticated by anyone but are common on ebay and auction sites.

And here is a real one (dedicated) and even though this one is a bit sloppy you can see the correct order in which he constructs his "R" with the vertical back stroke first.

I can't stress enough how important it is to know the correct order of the strokes, when he or she tends to start and stop, the direction the ink/feathering tends to go based on the correct directional flow of the signature. These guys sign their name many thousands of times and other then Tony Bennett you rarely see people (musicians especially) signing slowly, it is usually lightning fast and the ink will reflect that... they have it mastered and if you see something that doesn't fit or seems unnatural or UN-logical you should question it. The ink doesn't lie.

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Permalink Reply by Corey Moylan on March 7, 2015 at 8:07pm
This is great. Thanks for dropping the knowledge
Permalink Reply by michelle on March 7, 2015 at 11:41pm

+1

Permalink Reply by Peter C. on March 8, 2015 at 4:00am

I cant see that authentic one...... :(

Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 8, 2015 at 2:07pm

sorry, the authentic one didn't load before

Permalink Reply by Bjarne Soderholm on March 8, 2015 at 8:25am

Our old friend Ben92522 is still dealing with fake autographs. You can see the discussion that we have had about this seller here:

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/crook-on-ebay-how-ca...

And I like the second part that you have done on Roger Waters forgeries. Thank you!

Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 8, 2015 at 2:16pm

It Ben's defense, and I don't know the guy nor have I heard of him on here before or anywhere else he does have some real stuff and some fake stuff. I have seen some of his items from other sellers, real and fake and I wonder if the guys is a flipper? Similar to Mr. Bob Herman with the fake PSA'd wall album, honest seller, but relies on TPA's. Ben's Wall album is real, the Sabbath, The Zeppelin, he had a nice Dark Side signed by Roger and Rick I saw and some others. He does sell some real items but that modern metal crap is all fake for sure. IDK

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