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Steve asked me to start a new thread since some were having a lot of issues with regards to whether or not the through the mail autographs of Jerry Lee Lewis are real or not. I will post some examples of what we have been getting recently and some know in person examples. These TTM signatures are not cheap. You have to pay $50 for them to his box office box. The question is are they real or not. Roger has said that he has never seen Mr. Lewis sign this way and it looks to perfect - like a woman's signature.
Please post your thoughts here and examples.
thanks
Mark
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I was told about this thread, and glad I was. Wow. What an interesting read.
Chad, you're losing your marbles, man. You're falling into that trap we all have when we question autographs. You're believing a person that seems nice. It doesn't work that way. When somebody is ripping people off, they can be charming, they can say and do the right things.
I am going to give you THREE REASONS why....as Elaine once told Jerry...it was "fake, fake, fake, and fake."
1) Roger gave his two cents. Not that he can't be wrong, but he is right here.
2) The person that said "His daughter signs it all." Seriously, think about WHY a person would say that. If that WAS NOT happening, why would a person even think to say it.
3) CARL RYAN IS A GENIUS!!! That guy was saying EVERYTHING I was going to post. That pictures with photos or pick guards don't mean crap. We'd need a video of him signing. Now, 90% of the time, yes...a photo would be fine. But not now, with how this has all come down. Not at all.
My conclusion : website is scamming you all. And we shouldn't settle for merely getting our money back. A class action should be brought. You get money back, postage back, and your time. Hit those jerks in the pocket book.
I agree - I started this thread, but really do not know how to proceed at this point. Suggestions.. please..
thanks
MArk
Agreed. How can we make that happen.. :)
Mark
Look for dealers that handle lots of 50s-70s rock autographs. John Reznikoff and Bill Panagopulos from Alexander don't deal in JLL. Bob Eaton isn't a member of AML. Bill White of RR is a member and would be a good person to ask to contribute.
Keep in mind that it's not unusual for even top, reputable dealers to consider long-seen secretarials genuine if they haven't been questioned much before. Mr Zipper's discussion on Charlton Heston is a prime example of that.
Zipper is right: Getting as many confirmed in person JLL autographs as you can would greatly increase the dependability of this signature study. While you're looking for them, separate the autographs we have into different piles by their style, identifying where they came from.
I just named the first autograph dealers I could think of. I think you are spot on with getting the right people to look at these and finding some iron clad in-person examples to compare with.
Can you ask Bill White to look at this discussion? I don't know him. Thanks for your contribution.
Chad, I think you missed my bigger point. I'm not basing MY decision on one guy saying "His daughter signs it all." That's like the black guys I played basketball with saying "OJ is innocent, because a cop lied on the stand and really said 'n****r'." How does that prove anything? It's only one piece of the puzzle, and not even an important one.
But think about it...why would some guard even say anything like that? If you aren't an autograph collector, you don't even know to think like that.
Steve just brought up a good point about if it's been secretarials for a long time, even the best in the business might think they're real.
But let me add something. I just glanced at that cancelled check. That looks a lot more real to me. THink about it. This dude is old now. Why would his signature look as good as it does on these signed items? It wouldn't. His wife or whatever, is signing them, in his style...but they look nicer than if a person his age was signing them.
And Chad, let's look at your story a slightly different way. You were impressed with talking to her, and how the problem was rectified. Okay, that's fine. But...think about what somebody mentioned briefly. If these were real, why would she bother? Imagine let's say...that you are married to Meryl Streep. She decided she doesn't want to act, and you've convinced her to do these autograph signings thru the mail for money, since you're a collector. And somebody all the sudden sends you this long letter about how they are fake, because they got a Kramer vs Kramer poster signed by her at a movie screening in 1979, and it looks completely different. You might send a brief explanation about signatures changing over the years, or whatever. But you would hardly go thru a bunch of hoops, because you have so many being sent in...you are busy. You can offer them their money back, and that's about the extent of it. Why go farther?
Now, back to that cancelled check. It sure doesn't look like all the signed stuff that's coming back. Wouldn't the stuff coming back signed be all shaky, like an old person signed it???
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