Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 17, 2011 at 11:41am

I just did a count and this soldier bought 15 Mantles from AAFES. I only listed 11-12 from him. We still don't have the actual items in hand, but we have similar ones from another soldier and they're all the same style.

Comment by Steve Zarelli on May 17, 2011 at 11:52am

In the extract, the bottom one looks like the Burczyk style fakes. The rest are all from another forger.

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 17, 2011 at 1:42pm

I have some here from a different soldier, with Mantle, Williams and DiMaggio 5x7's with Burzyk stickers. In this case, the Mantle looks like the other two, authenticated by AAU/Drew Max and TTA.

These may not be machine signed, though. Some sort of tracing may be involved, like you said. I'll upload them later today.

Comment by Steve Zarelli on May 17, 2011 at 1:56pm

I stated this recently but I can't recall where....

 

The 5x7s should have been a huge tip off. Who was going to pay any of these late HOFers tens of thousands of dollars for a private signing and then get a boatload of 5x7s signed?!?!?  5x7s that go for a fraction of what an 8x10 would sell for. How stupid.

 

It really makes you wonder what kind of questions these "forensic examiners" ask. They have a pallet or two of Mantle, Williams and DiMaggio SPs sitting in front of them, and do they even bother to ask...

 

Where did these come from?

 

Is there a copy of the signing agreement/contract?

 

Why are the backs all blank with no photostock identification?

 

Why would anyone get the real Mick, Ted and Joe D to sign 5x7s?

 

Why do they all look like they were signed yesterday?

 

Why is there no natural variation in the signatures?

 

We're talking simple, common sense questions. Just what kind of "exam" are they conducting?

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 17, 2011 at 2:09pm

Particularly if they're late HOFers.

Comment by CJCollector on May 17, 2011 at 5:15pm

Here is your typical Burczyk garbage.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Autographed-Mickey-Mantle-At-Plate-8x10-/330565...

Comment by Steve Zarelli on May 17, 2011 at 5:27pm

In this seller's defense, he may not know it is a fake. It's actually priced at what a real Mantle should be priced at.

 

Which leads one the believe that the sellers who were selling the Burczyk junk starting at $24.95 must have known they were selling garbage, right?

 

By the way, I'd love to have a Mantle SP of this pose.  But this is just another clue... probably the vast majority of what the real Mick signed was the standard Yankee Stadium and Spring Training poses. When he was doing shows on Long Island and NYC in the 80s and early 90s, they didn't have a wide range of action pics to choose from. Probably one or two standard file photos and that was it.

 

So when you see these wild action pics and unique poses that are signed... tread carefully. It could be a red flag. 

 

 

Comment by Rick Meyer on May 17, 2011 at 5:47pm

Might know just the same we have a guy here who has sold memorabilia for years. Was flipping this junk on eBay until they were banned. He tried scraping of burzyck stickers and sending with his own home made coa. I restated him for awhile now the same guy uses Craigslist to peddle it. Dirt bag knows their fake too. Hiding behind the excuse well this company authenticated it then it is their issue not his. A real shaky character. Anything that keeps him collecting government checks while he scams folks under the table.

Comment by CJCollector on May 17, 2011 at 5:57pm

You're right, Mr. Zipper, the majority of these sellers have no idea what they are selling.  Many of them would list them on Ebay with a $999.00 "Buy It Now/Best Offer." 

The websites that sell that garbage write on their websites "Compare At $1499.99."  Yeah right.

Comment by CJCollector on May 17, 2011 at 6:28pm

Here is a "TTA (Ted Taylor)" authenticated piece of garbage.

http://cgi.ebay.com/L-K-MICKEY-MANTLE-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-FRAMED...

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