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Beatles 1967 Signatures

Hello are these Beatles signatures from 1967 I think so thought I would ask others opinions thanks very much John.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on June 10, 2019 at 2:54am

They look legit and all but as I asked previously is there any coa or provenance tied with these.

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Permalink Reply by John woody on June 10, 2019 at 3:00am

Hello Paul when I buy signatures I usually have them certified by Roger Epperson,but as im new on this site I wanted opinions first as they are a lot of money for me.I will ask for the provenance now thanks for all your help.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on June 10, 2019 at 3:06am

It always important when your planning to spend that kind of money usually The Beatles graphs are well documented items but not all the time.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 10, 2019 at 6:04am

Why haven't you asked Epperson to look at it? A $15 online opinion from him seems worth it before you consider spending $20,000.

You need expert opinions from Beatles specialists, more than one, before considering something like this.

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Permalink Reply by John woody on June 10, 2019 at 6:12am

Hello Steve I have asked Roger Epperson awaiting his reply.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 10, 2019 at 6:42am

Good move.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 10, 2019 at 6:19am

That's a far lower quality scan than the first one, and the same JPG artifacts in the first one are in this one. That doesn't happen in fresh scans. Sure looks like a copy to me.

I can't imagine that this hasn't already been seen by Beatles experts. Odds are we're discussing something they know about, real or not.

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Permalink Reply by John woody on June 10, 2019 at 7:20am

Update I have an answer from Roger Epperson he says they are fine.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 10, 2019 at 8:50am

Good! This is what I'd do now:

1) Ask the seller for large, sharp photos from a cellphone or regular digital camera. Take them together and separately, and take them at various angles.

2) If the autographs are actually signed on the sleeve and not in the print, you'll still need expert advice on value, especially because these are not high-contrast autographs. They don't stand out.

3) Find out what you can about the seller. If you can't google him or look him up in some way, that's troubling. I don't know what the rules are in the UK regarding being able to remove yourself from the internet, databases, etc., but if you can't find a trail it's like buying from someone on a street corner.

4) Again, if you buy (remember you can bargain...hard if you want), only pay by a way that you have full buyer protection in the case of fraud or loss.

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Permalink Reply by John woody on June 10, 2019 at 8:55am

Hello Steve I have asked for different shots of the signatures and a darker scanned picture what I think will help.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 10, 2019 at 8:59am

Watch for the darker scan as it may obscure data making it difficult to help in determining liVe ink. "Auto settings" usually do this. :( Ask for something of known value to be added to the photo like a dollar bill or something so one can tell just how dark the signatures appear. The angled photos may allow the nib to be detected etc. and other signs of 3-D life.