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Permalink Reply by Steven on December 1, 2022 at 11:33am

Or is he a smart businessman? By offering refunds, there are now no damages. Apparently, no one will go after him for fraud. So he attempted a crime, got caught, did just enough to avoid any consequences and got out free and clear. And virtually no one outside of this community will think any less of him for it. Sounds pretty brilliant to me...

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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on December 1, 2022 at 11:41am

I am not sure if I agree - imagine how much this will cost him? S&S will probably demand refund for lost income that was in the contract, and the galleries will demand a compansation for the millions they now have to refund. Their income from these prints are not in an account waiting to be refunded, they have been used making the galleries go arround financialy.

I bet this will cost Dylan millions to get out of.

The books could easily been fixed by sending out free signed bookplates, and nobody needed to be compensated. But he will obdviously rather pay himself out of this.

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 1, 2022 at 11:47am

Steve . There are alot of people believe it or not who will be ignorant about what has happened and they will be non the wiser.  Castle have put nothing on their website as far as I can see so it’s pretty much business as usual for them Dylan is not necessarily out of the firing line yet.  He is allowing / relying on Castle to say which releases are affected. He has given his timelines but it is Castle who are now holding the cheque book and pen and deciding who qualifies for a refund without any visible evidence / proof . All Purchasers must be doggedly persistent in holding Castle to account . 

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 1, 2022 at 11:34am

Absolutely agree.  Not only Dylan but Castle. They are  both culpable  and between them have reduced the value of the whole portfolio I could be generous and say Castles downfall was lack of supervision and audit - but I am not feeling generous right now.  I would like to know who suggested auto pen to Bob. If he was ill and worried about catching covid and could not meet his contractual obligations then why didn’t Castle defer the signing. It’s not as if Bob needed the money.  Who was driving this? 

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 1, 2022 at 12:19pm

How do you know Castle were not in cahoots with Dylan all along from the very beginning of the Dylan /Castle collaboration and are just just trying to b******* everybody now that they've been caught and trying to convince everybody that it's just the last couple of years worth of prints! 

I'm sorry but they need a lot more proof than 'oh yes it's OK Castle representatives  witnessed all signings' !! 

Who knows for sure that Castle haven't been selling faked / autopenned Dylan Prints for the past 10+ Years and just admitting to the 'COVID' years as it's an obvious excuse to use.  ! 

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 1, 2022 at 11:21am

Agree

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 1, 2022 at 12:07pm

where is the proof of these being authentic? The tempest cd in particular was put out for sale by his management. no one witnessed him signing those and they are just as reliable as the Castle Fine Art signatures. this is why I am looking for 100% absolute proof of authentic signatures with photographic evidence of Dylan signing the item.

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 1, 2022 at 12:34pm

explain how an autograph is authenticated exactly if there is no one who actually saw him signing anything ever. How do you think Epperson authenticates signatures? based on PSA authentic examples? I'm looking for 100% certain signatures for everyone to compare to and asking for proof these examples you provided are in fact real and you are unable to do so. you just keep fighting me on this.

here's a reddit post from someone with more information on how the Tempest cds were obtained

https://www.reddit.com/r/bobdylan/comments/gqcow3/my_prized_tempest...

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 3, 2022 at 9:28am

I'm backtracking through previous posts and noticed so many comments are now tagged in response to people they were not meant for. I want to make a note here -  these comments were meant for InkInvestor and not the people who they are currently tagged.

Please do not delete previous posts no matter what reason in order to preserve this threads integrity as much as possible for the sake of our entire community.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 1, 2022 at 12:43pm

Dylan cannot be trusted at all - he is a fraud - how long has he been de-frauding the public? two years? Twenty Years? - that's what i want to know - Mondo Scripto's look dodgy to me as do others they currently have online, maybe they are real, maybe not... we will never know.

COA's  are not worth the ink they are printed on, no matter who the authenticator is. They all make mistakes and can never be 100% sure if they are legit or not.

Castle may as well burn all their Dylan prints they have currently on sale unless they have video proof of him signing every single one  ! 

You're right though Inkinvester unless there is actual indisputable video evidence of Dylan Signing a specidic item everybody must now assume he didn't sign anything - until proven otherwise by actual video footage ! 

99% of autographs obtained from legitimate sources (and i don;'t mean ebay!) are real - so don't really need proof, just the odd bad apple here and there as Mr Dylan / Miss Parton....among the few other elitist autopenners  have shown... 

Once a cheat / fraud - always a cheat / fraud !

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 1, 2022 at 12:47pm

InkInvestor It started WAY back when you claimed everything with a crossed y was fake.. you were giving misinformation while implying with 100% certainty you were correct. you have flip flopped on your stance, you have deleted all your previous posts as not to look like a fool, you are the one throwing your voice around like you are the expert. not me, I will continue my research.. When it comes to Dylans signature, I am sticking with 100% known authentic autographs base on real evidence. how many times has it been said now? All authenticators have been proven wrong in the past. Its best to rely on evidence where EVERYONE is certain about being 100% authentic and its amazing how anyone would fight me on this

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on December 1, 2022 at 1:32pm

Agreed. There may be ones that are 99.9% more than likely real, and that's fine with almost any other signer... but uncovering this fraud and in this very exceptional circumstance of someone who almost never signs, and goes out of their way, and will seemingly make things harder just to not sign, I don't think it's a good idea to compare them unless they're 100% real. 100% real is video proof, which may be next to impossible to find with Dylan, but I can see why it makes sense to only trust that. If that is impossible to find, then maybe go to the 99.9%. 

You can't really compare this to any other signers, where a COA from a few reputable sources would be acceptable. I'm not aware of any other signer like Dylan so can't compare him to other signers. 

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