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Mantle Dimaggio Autograph

I am considering purchasing a number of autographed pics from a neighbor.  Does these autographs look authentic?

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Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on October 26, 2011 at 5:06am

The Mantle on the bat looks a little Funky but I still like it...the letter "M" looks a bit sharper then usual...will see what others say about it...but as far as the Dimaggio Mantle & Mayes Mantle they look authentic to me...

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 26, 2011 at 5:38am

CEE GEE, you have a lot more experience with Mantles than I do, but there is something funny about all of them.  Especially the last one that you mentioned.  They are probably legit, but even the DiMaggio bothers me a little.  the formation of the G's do not seem to be typical.  I know he was inconsistent but he was fairly consistent with the formation of the upper part of the G.  

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 26, 2011 at 10:33am

I just looked at these quickly, but something feels off about all three signed photos. It looks like you took the pics in color, Withane, but the signatures look monochrome like the photos. Plus the Mantle/DiMaggio photo's signatures are really transparent. I'm wondering if these are actual signed photos or copies of signed photos.

 

Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on October 26, 2011 at 2:11pm

Steve makes a good point...

I still like the autos but weather there ON the picture or IN the picture is something that needs to be seen in person...

Unless there fading away that would make autos look transparent from being exposed to long periods of light...this is also true...I like the Dimaggio even though it is was it is...and the Mantle as well...once again Iam just one person and not an authenticator by any means but unless you can see the ink on the photo it self were it has a certain "SHEEN'' were its on the photo and not in the photo...it needs to be looked at very carefully...also if there's no "GLARE" on the autos in light...that's another way to determine if the autos are written on the images..

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 26, 2011 at 2:24pm

all good points, plus its a lot easier to see the true flow of the signatures, and possible starts and stops.

Permalink Reply by Steve on October 26, 2011 at 3:11pm

I'm not sold on the Dimaggio in the first photo or the Mantle in the 3rd photo.  Although Mantle didn't always make the M the same in the first and last name, he didn't make both of them look different from what we are used to seeing.  What I'm trying to say is the the M's don't look right and since it is that was on both, you don't usually see that.  On the Dimaggio, I have never seen the horizontal line near the top of the D.

Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on October 26, 2011 at 3:44pm
I like the Dimaggio...let me explain why...Mr.Kahldon makes a good point about Mantle....no question...but what most people don't know about Joe D is a signature trate most collectors never notice...reason being is because Dimaggio was quite sloppy and from what I have heard moody...but the trate is the "oeD" in one stroke...the forgers could never duplicate it...also love the "under over" stroke on the "a"...not only that that extra stroke in the "D" is actually a sloppy "dot" for his "I"...that's what that is in the letter "D"...the Mantle I actually like the most is the one on the Mays photo...the one on the bat like I said is a bit funky...if that's not good...that may be the best fake I have ever seen...the one on the Dimaggio is signed in some dark spots...but I would Really need to see them in person to know if they were actually signed or just copies...BUT a copy wouldn't fade...it is weird...a Magnifying glass...in person eyes and strong light could really determine the truth...
Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 26, 2011 at 3:52pm

I don't like the first photo at all.  neither signature now that I look closely at each one. here is why.  DiMaggio virtually always formed the upper loop of the first G with a counter clockwise stroke, and it was almost never left open like this one. it looks really bad.  I think the whole last name is way off.

As for the Mantle, the flow going from the A to the N in Mantle is jerky.  Not smooth like you would expect.  I really think both sigs are forgeries.  

Cee Gee my friend, I very rarely ever disagree with your assessments, and I may be wrong on this but I do feel something is not right with those.

Permalink Reply by Steve on October 26, 2011 at 4:52pm

I completely agree with you on the first G.  The last portion near the top of the m in Dimaggio looks uneasy also.  

Cee Gee, I will agree that Joe could be sloppy when he chose to be.  When he was in a good mood, he signed very neatly.  I think he also signed items he liked a little nicer.

On the first Mantle, you can also see where the c is flat going towards the k and does not go up into the letter.  It appears to stop before the k and then the little up and down he does starts separately.  Like was said, a clearer photo would be nice.

 

Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on October 26, 2011 at 5:38pm
Without a doubt I got a lot of respect for Steve and Terriers points and opinions...You never knew what you were going to get out of Joe...that duel signed pic is really starting to bother me now...I first seen it last night on my phone...which is how I browse the site more then half the time...I may have jumped the gun with my first post because of all the great points you guys pointed out...I would hate as a collector to ever steer another collector wrong on an opinion...I own Dimaggio signatures on practically every autographable surface possible...except a bat...and I got to tell ya...his inconsistent hand makes it in my opinion one of the hardest baseball player to determine the good and bad autos...that being said the fakes stick out like a sore thumb compared to a sloppy authentic Joe D...I am not debating who's write or wrong because I agree with you guys as well on some points...this time there is not to many cooks in the kitchen...LOL
Permalink Reply by withane on October 27, 2011 at 5:54pm

Many thanks to all, but does that mean I should just stay way from this? 

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 27, 2011 at 8:07pm

I wouldn't buy them unless you had them checked out in person by a respected expert. Even if the autographs are correct, they look like they're part of the B&W photos to me. And I don't think you took the images in B&W because I see some color in the reflections, is that right? 

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