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1. If You are gonna post a picture in this Thread then PLEASE leave it POSTED. When there is commentary for it or comparisons & then removed the Thread overall has a problem and many, including me, don't know what the heck someone is/was talking about. If it's a personally owned one then put a watermark on it if that's a worry. But DON"T Delete. I do from time to time copy them just in case but now always" . 11/3/2011
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As one wanders around the WWW on auction sites or blogs it is inevitable that the "secretarials" verbiage will arise. There are many breakout discussions (see a partial list below that hopefully, I captured the greater majority of threads) and in typical fashion we deviate on many threads (which I have not captured) and throw in a secretarial here & there.
Many times the secretarials focus on the high end selling items as opposed to the mid level ones e.g. The Honeymooners. Of course, the secretarials differ, at least in verbiage, to the Clubhouse, AutoPen or outright forgeries (there are lots of good threads on) but that is not for this discussion.
But back to the midlevel ones like Roy & Dale Evans, Barbara Striesand, Mary Tyler Moore or Tony Curtis to mention a few. I will add 3 pictures of authentic ones (there may be variations) for the latter three but don't have the secretarials for a side by side (which I like to see as it provides a good visual). Anyone have some? So at the risk of biting off too much (if an area takes off, perhaps I can create a breakout thread for it) what are OTHER KNOWN Secretarials and their Authentic ones and why Secretarials?
for reference only;
http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/most-forged-signatur...
http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/charlton-heston-secr... Charlton Heston
Tags: fakes, secretarials
Mike, I copied your Terminator under this thread subject.....for comparison purposes. It's really telling with the signature differences, isn't it.
Reply by mike aring 3 hours ago
Brick,
Thanks for the Sammy Davis Jr. comparo. Keep these coming! How did you confirm authenticity of the authentic ones?
The authentic example is available on signed contracts and checks. The secretarial example is just on pictures and books.
Just a few differences you can easily look for. The Jr. is formed completely differently and looks different. The D in Davis in the authentic signature is more formed. The s in Davis in the authentic version has a bigger loop at the top. And just look at the y in Sammy. The "amm" in Sammy are completely different as well.
Signatures like Sammy's are why I like collecting autographs I'm a fan of from classic Hollywood and '40s-'80s music as opposed to modern Hollywood and modern music. They had real signatures back then, even fancy ones like Sammy and Charlton Heston for instance. Today they're check marks and loops with a dot. That's not a signature to me and I question the concrete ability to authenticate it.
Hmm... it's not secretarial. That kind of just strikes me as a forgery.
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