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Full Set Beatles 1964 Opera House, Blackpool

Hi guys, this complete set is not mine, I want to clarify. I showed it in other groups because I simply find it fascinating. Last weekend I went to a comic convention, and there were three stands of memorabilia, in one of them, a Ringo signature was for sale for 2 K USD, and it seemed excessive to me.

The owner saw that I knew about these topics and I showed him part of my collection in photos. Then he showed me his next acquisition, which he authorized me to share in photos. There is an inscription on the back which makes me think someone got it for their friend's daughter, and it is dated 1964 Opera House, Blackpool. He told me that he will submit it to certification and subsequent sale, I hope to tell you the outcome later.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on October 3, 2024 at 10:53am

I like these.

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Permalink Reply by Raul Serrano on October 3, 2024 at 11:48am

Yes for sure! that's why I decided to share it. Cheers!

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on October 3, 2024 at 2:22pm

The signatures do look Ok. But it looks as if the paper might have had some moisture contact at some point. It has slightly impacted the signature ink and the paper is not flat and stained a bit.

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Permalink Reply by Raul Serrano on October 3, 2024 at 2:32pm

If it seems a little damp, if you notice, on the back, the tinda has bleed through a little, it may be part of the same

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Permalink Reply by spaceman on October 3, 2024 at 2:33pm

Here is a set signed the same day at Blackpool 1964. There are some similarities.

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Permalink Reply by Raul Serrano on October 3, 2024 at 2:54pm

Wow, it is very similar. I suppose that these signatures were obtained in the middle of a crowd of people and the small variations are due to the speed of signing, perhaps. Thanks for sharing this copy

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Permalink Reply by Penny Fields on October 6, 2024 at 8:05pm

These are not real. I will probably open a discussion on what to look for but I’m replying to this comment specifically here because of an obvious problem that has nothing to do with the handwriting.

The problem is the ink. Brio ballpoints in red fade faster than any other color (or Bic what have you). The ink here is all fresh. Roller ball pens would smear.

Mach ballpoints were around at this time with stronger inks that wouldn’t fade as fast but they were very expensive- roughly 200 GBP in todays money and The Beatles didn’t have much money in 1964 and likely the person handing them the pen wouldn’t have one either. Even if they did these signatures would still show fading.

Fountain pens would smear smudge and also degrade as fountain ink stays on the surface of an item.

Also considering how heavy this ink is and how close together the signatures are with two left hand signers (Paul and Ringo) they would have smeared immediately if not ball point ink.

Therefore it isn’t possible for these to be real.

Another thing is, since both Paul and Ringo are left handed the easiest place for them to sign anything would be on the right hand sign not the left. If solo signed the same is true unless they were sitting down then the signature should be top or bottom centered.

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on October 6, 2024 at 8:23pm

Just going to point out one fact. Ringo signs with his right hand not left.

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Permalink Reply by Penny Fields on October 7, 2024 at 2:19am

Ah yes you got me so Ringo is a lefty but was forced to write with his right hand bc of his grandmother and so

plays a right handed drum kit too! However this actually is very useful in his handwriting analysis because writing with his right hand is an unnatural but subconscious action that requires more physical effort and this is what makes his signature the easiest of all to learn.

yes it’s changed over time as to what he signs but not how :) The variables come in with external factors such as stress, alcohol, drugs, distraction, being in a rush or …. Not enough room on the page for him to exert enough energy which is why his spacing is typically the most inconsistent… kinda complicated but not really. Bad Ringos are usually apparent taking all that into account.

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Permalink Reply by Raul Serrano on October 6, 2024 at 8:38pm

Thank you very much for your comments. I liked your technical analysis. Ringo is only left-handed in the technique of playing drums, he signs with his right hand. I asked the seller for more photos and he sent me this one, you can analyze it better.

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Permalink Reply by Penny Fields on October 7, 2024 at 3:29am

Hi, is this 63/64? It is identical to another known forgery and in fact looks like a traced copy of multiple legitimate examples but from later like 65/66

The Beatles in 63/64 (Cavern era excluded) loved signing autographs and were thrilled to do so. There was a sweetness in their signature and they made an effort to match that with their presentation (image required of them by Brian).

This got old pretty fast especially after their American tour but they still thought it’d all be over soon so they did have cleaner signatures and lots of love, John or with love etc and were generally more formal and neat.

im not sure if you’ve seen very early examples of Lennon’s handwriting but he was writing in perfect cursive script with no spelling errors whatsoever at 8.5 years old! This is true in letters, thank you cards to relatives and even in his notations!

I do not believe these to be genuine for these reasons but I’m only looking at a picture and can’t say for sure about anything from a picture unless there is something about it (like the red ink) that easily reveals it.

Provenance is very important. A respected authenticator in The Beatle Business is a dealer too. There is an inherent conflict of interest and these turn up every day all day. An authenticator’s COA is not Proveance. If the provenance is missing, sketchy or unverifiable my advise is to save your money for a letter, postcard, etc. To unbury the treasure you have to scour the globe and it’s there.

fortunately we have the internet so we can travel the world for our treasures from home.

If I told you I bought two Bag One 1970 Original John Lennon bag prints plus the bag, an unreleased cassette of Lennon recording a cover in his attic at Kenwood and a pair of unique bespoke Lennon owned prescription glasses left at Tittenhurst just in the last 3 months for less than 15k US would you believe me?

Also the glasses came with a case and inside in very faded blue ink were John’s initials which wasn’t mentioned in the letter of provenance. It was the first thing I noticed when I opened the case because my eye is trained for markings like that.

I’ve bought some excellent items from a member here that are definitely real at excellent prices.

I don’t want anyone to be discouraged but I’m very very careful with Beatle autographs. There’s just too much money out there demanding these things and the demand outweighs the supply. With no supply things get created to fix it. If you know what I mean.