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which is best psa dna or jsa?

I have a few items i want to get authenticated but i dont know which company to send them to.Psa dna are More expensive but are they better than jsa?

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Permalink Reply by Alastair Mulholland on June 4, 2012 at 9:41am

Mike, in response to your question about seeing any nirvana autos that have been authenticated by psa dna,i have seen at least 2 on eBay.There is a nevermind cd fully signed on at the minute and the seller wants $5000 for it i think if i remember right.I also saw a in utero signed cd before and it didnt look anything like the nevermind one.If you look at kurt cobains journals you will see how his writing is very untidy like a childs.And yes roger did tell me he wont look at nirvana sigs as they are hard to tell fakes from real.

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Permalink Reply by Alastair Mulholland on June 4, 2012 at 9:54am

The seller wants $9999.99 for it,thats not a bad price.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 5, 2012 at 5:52pm

Roger is a music consultant for JSA.

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Permalink Reply by Travis Christenberry on June 4, 2012 at 9:43am

This is the only one that I've ever seen Mike. I bet I've done 10 or more PSA Quick Opinions on ebay over the years and they all come back "Not Likely Genuine". And a few of them looked really good to me. Makes me think that sometimes PSA doesn't like to stick their neck out there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kurt-Cobain-Nirvana-Signed-AUTOGRAPH-Neverm...

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Permalink Reply by Alastair Mulholland on June 4, 2012 at 9:59am

As i said there was a signed in utero cd by psa before and it looked nothing like this one.They are Happy enough to ask for $250 to look at nirvana autos.

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Permalink Reply by Travis Christenberry on June 4, 2012 at 10:05am

Maybe in hopes that you will buy the item and send it to them so they can actually get the $250. If they just wanted the $250 they would give everything a thumbs up on the Quick Opinion and then give it the thumbs down when you send it in.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on June 7, 2012 at 6:49am

The only way to get a confirmation on the PSA/DNA Opinion is to pay for it yourself. If you submit an item, you will receive an email from them either "Likely Genuine" or "Likely Not Genuine." You can then copy and post that opinion on your listing if you wish. The down side if you check your own listing is that Ebay will boot the item and put you on notice if the opinion is "Likely not Genuine." I once did the opinion on a Mickey Mantle baseball I got autographed in person and they booted it as "Likely not Genuine." I knew it was authentic so I submitted it to them at the National Sports Collector's Convention for full authentication without telling them the result of the "Quick Opinion" on Ebay and they passed it and graded it 8.5. Just goes to show they probably play it safe most of the time. They get the $7.49 either way so why would they take a big chance. I rarely see an item that passes the "Quick Opinion" but I use them on high dollar items with no legitimate authentication if I think the item is authentic. Although the opinion is not binding, it is better than nothing and occasionally you can pick up a nice authentic item at a deep discount if you are willing to gamble.

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Permalink Reply by DB on June 7, 2012 at 7:44am

sounds like a balance and check going on... There use to be a 3 strike rule as well before you were in jepordy of having the account closed. Haven't checked lately but do you know if that is still in existence?

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Permalink Reply by Randy on June 7, 2012 at 8:28am

You do get a couple of warnings before being suspended but you really can't afford to take a chance with the "Quick Opinion" on your own listings unless you are pretty sure they will opine "Likely Genuine" because after a couple of failures, you are suspended.

I had a friend who was trying to do the right thing a couple of years ago and he had some items he was not sure about so he listed them and immediately paid for the "Quick Opinions" on them. He planned to remove the auctions if they did not pass.

Well, they didn't pass and he removed them within a few hours of listing them but Ebay still suspended him for a month and he had no other warnings. This was a Power Seller who had 10,000 positive feedbacks and had been selling on Ebay for about 10 years. I guess because he did about 15 items at one time they thought he was trying to sell bogus autographs when he was doing just the opposite.

They are policing autographs better than before but the reality is that the really bad ones never get checked because no one pays the $7.49 for an opinion if they know for sure it is bad. That is the reason so many bad Mantles, Dimaggios, and Williams are always up and rarely get removed.

I know they use some other guys besides PSA/DNA's "Quick Opinion" to boot items off but again, it is usually the "good" forgeries that get booted. The really bad ones normally run out and sell to a novice collector for 20% of the usual price and of course they think they got a great deal when they really just threw their money away.

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Permalink Reply by DB on June 7, 2012 at 8:44am

thanks so not much has changed and the "forgeries" (regardless of denomination) are staggering. Unfortunately, the "some other guys" have "day jobs" as well, I suspect. Just keeping pace with certain actor/actresses (can be a FT job and as you say there are always different "offers", camoflauged "listings" and "rope a dope" continuously ongoing not to count the removal time tables & delay.

seems a problem of the quick opinion is if they are playing it safe is that not only does the seller get dinged and there is no way to remove it. Your example, at a show, a different group does an loa at the home office and it comes back "ok", there is an obvious system assessment problem going on in addition.

Permalink Reply by DB on June 4, 2012 at 10:02am

for posterity - a psa/dna cert'd one;