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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 25, 2012 at 4:02pm

Joey, I agree... You should hold that for as long as you can. Mind telling us what you paid for it?

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on October 26, 2012 at 4:45pm

Sorry Dan but I wouldn't say that anything supposedly signed by Pacino is 100% authentic.

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on October 24, 2012 at 7:48pm

mine came back from psa as inconclusive as well, but that's a different story.  His signature is tough; the only way you ever know is if you see it yourself being signed

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on October 24, 2012 at 7:56pm

Did your look any like the one I have??

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Permalink Reply by Bob Shinn on October 25, 2012 at 3:36pm

Mark

I would not spend the money on a PSA Check.

Their track record with celebrities is not as good as you might think.

They had authentic exemplars of Charlton Heston on their site that you as a customer could use as reference , yet had certified 100's of Secretarially Signed Heston Signatures as authentic.

If you have a COA from Autograph World, with their Lifetime Guarantee of Authenticy, you should have no trouble selling it.

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Permalink Reply by DB on October 25, 2012 at 6:02pm

btw, bob just so it is clear autographworld also sold 700 +/- hestons and I suspect the greater majority were secretarial hestons as well.

They do however unlike many stand behind their sales regardless of how many years ago a purchase was made.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Shinn on October 26, 2012 at 10:22am

Well yes DB Thats True, but I was referring to their Lifetime Guarantee.

As far as PSA and Celebrites, I stand by my statement 100%

And we could say that R&R Auctions had their fair share of Heston Secretarials as well, but they also stand by their Lifetime Guarantee.

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Permalink Reply by DB on October 26, 2012 at 2:14pm

they along with just about everyone else once that secretarial exemplar got into the main stream.   that is the part that I hold them accountable for especially TPAs whose job it is to verify, verify, verify.

speaking of which, many dealers & sellers feel PSA/DNA is better with celebrities than JSA.   We haven't had a good debate on some since the departure of vanderhoven... two good threads to restart a new one;

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/secretarial-autograp...

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/psadna-certified-ite...

although circle dot pacinio is probably not a great one since there doesn't seem to be alot of consensus.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Shinn on October 26, 2012 at 3:29pm

To be honest, I really believe that every Dealer and Seller should be thoroughly familiar with the Signature characteristic's of the Celebrities they are buying or selling.

TPA's need to follow the same rules, but time and again, we see examples where they are definately wrong with their opinions, and when that happens, The Buyer is the loser.

I buy my Autographs from Reputable Dealers that Authenticate their own material and back it up with a No questions asked Money-back Lifetime Guarantee in regards to Authenticity.

I have yet to be let down by this practice, and I have been at it for over 30 years.

I also never buy any autograph that I have not personally studied, by comparing it to Published Known Genuine Exemplars.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on October 25, 2012 at 6:31pm

What would you think it is worth with just the autograph world certificate?? And what would it be worth with a psa certificate??

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Permalink Reply by DB on October 26, 2012 at 1:18am

presuming it gets by psa.dna,  psa has a much more recognized brand name. 

I'm sure you canvassed EBAY as one source.  seems PSA'd ones are in the vicinity of $150 - $249.   I'd like to believe that AW ones with the rock sold lifetime guarantee would fit somewhere in that same range. 

Some might argue the next range down $50 - $149 but their COA is much more pertinent for those that are aware of them than a number of non-psa'd ones that fall into this same range.

e.g. If I was going to buy it now for $125.00 I'd opt for an AW COA rather than this one;

 then again, I am aware of AW and their COA guarantee.

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on October 26, 2012 at 7:24am

No, mine was supposedly a more modern signature. Yours looks nicer in my opinion.

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