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Questions On Music items from UK dealer
Garry King is well liked by some but I see a big problem with some of the items I see on his site. I'm not referring to Kenny Baker and other small bits but rather the large $$ music items.
Dealers in the UK might not be aware of current music item that they offer for sale. In another thread several autographs from Autografica were deemed fake. The items were Clint Eastwood, Charlton Heston and Harrison Ford.
He might not know there is a problem.
Tags: Charlton, Clint, Eastwood, Ford, Garry, Harrison, Heath, King, Ledger, Philippe, More…
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Ren,
What do you mean by "In your last post you are almost looking for an excuse to delete this whole thing"? Are you referring to BWilliams' first post on this subject?
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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on
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RenJones,
I do authentications for many auction houses and just yesterday a MJ signed photo was sent to me with this same signature on it. Wisely I asked, "did this come from the UK?" to the auction house. Their response was "yes, how did you know?" Nuff said may friends.
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Permalink Reply by Gary Harvey on
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Roger
This is what I said yesterday, it does not suprise me.
They will keep coming round and they will be rejected in the USA.
But as AFTAL have stated they are 100% genuine, they will be accepted for Auction in the UK as AFTAL as a society now work with the Police and Authorities to make sure Fake items are eliminated from the Sales Market in the UK
So when offered to UK buyers they may well have AFTAL authorisation
This will run for ever mate
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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on
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Gary, I have to say that I am very impressed at your ability to predict the future. When I read Roger's reply this morning I immediately thought of the scenario that you presented to me yesterday. Now I understand exactly what you were concerned about. PSA could use this particular example of Michael Jackson's signature as a forgery and that would create problems for anyone who purchased them if in fact they are authentic. Very impressive foresight on your part.
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Mike ,
Its not rocket science ! lol
Its happened before with Beatles autographs
People met them and handed the books into the roadies. They returned signed and as years went by they turned out to be secatrials
When offered for sale in UK they get rejected, then they try to sell in America and same story, but people try to sell them privately.
Eventually someone buys them and after a while they go to a Auction house and they fail / get rejected
It goes round and round
Simple
lol
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DB
As i said it will not go away , and Im hoping AFTAL sort it. I want to say more but I had best not
They are genuine as stated by AFTAL, 100~% so I dont know what else they will say
Then after the statement will ALL UK dealers will sell them openly ?
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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on
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What was the verdict on the $7,000 ( correct me if that price is wrong ) Paul McCartney signed guitar that was sold by GK? Did it turn out to be good? I hope that's the case, I just remember someone questioning it a while back.
Also, since this Mark chap was ousted at AFTAL, who is calling the shots? Who is ultimately now in control of the "official" club findings? That will be important to know in the case that they change or adapt their previous "official" ( at least until we hear otherwise ) statement on Adrian and the MJ autographs.
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Can I ask, who exactly is on the Board of AFTAL ?
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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on
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Yes Gary but once again there is only one person that can confirm this only one person .
So what's been said to whomever and when is pointless .
If Adrian comes and tells us he got them 100% hand to hand then fair play but am not sure who said this and when etc .
In regards the other matter it's not a secret 100s of people know that so what it's not like it's the secret of the century, I was in Toronto last month and we spoke about this with a few of the Michigan and Ohio boys and an LA king In person graffer .
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sorry u lost me on the last point
re advise ta mate
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Gary I only know 3 people on the board Dave , Dom and Gary .
But I think it's all on the site .
Also I think the reason Aftal was build back in the day was to make a safer and better way for dealers collectors etc .
At the time the idea was from the people who were on the board and it's fair as not only was it their idea but there was no one else to take the job .
So I hope this Answers a few questions . The board was bigger then but it thinned out over the years .
I need to also say in the defence of this board they did throw out 2 dealers that I know of that no other person could . It was not easy but they did it .
Look I know they are maybe crap at handling this matter but they have handled many others really well , I don't think it's an easy job , I don't want it so i sometimes wonder do they want it also .
In our lives we have so much s*** to deal with so I can't imagine some one wanting to deal with other people s crap too .
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