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Authenticity is Everything
Michael Jackson Signing Styles in Julien's Tompkins and Bush Sale
On December 2, Julien's Auctions is selling The Collection of Tompkins and Bush. The collection contains 465 lots of Michael Jackson memorabilia, 287 of them autographed.
Michael Bush and the late Dennis Tompkins were Michael Jackson's costume designers for 25 years, during Jackson's most successful period. They were the consignors of the signed Thriller jacket that Julien's sold for $1,800,000 in June 2011.
Almost all of the autographs in the Tompkins and Bush sale are a variation I'm not familiar with. I've only been looking at Jackson's autograph for a few years, though, and we have members here who have collected him for decades, so I'd appreciate your input and exemplars.
If you know Michael Jackson's autograph well, please look at a few images below from the auction and let me know what you think. Even better, browse the auction and upload any similar examples you have: http://www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/77/
Julien's is the world's premier auction house for Michael Jackson memorabilia, so they would know his autograph better than most of us. I'm just surprised I haven't seen this style before.
Thanks for your help.
Tags: 2012, Julien's, auction, michael jackson, tompkins and bush
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Permalink Reply by Wendy Christine on
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If they did, apparently they would have had to bring the 300 designs to Bush's place.... at which point MJ would've needed to have the clear minded epiphany to "gift" at least one of these to MLB.... and then sign it.
I know that's the first thing I would be prioritizing to do while making business decisions about licensing of merchandise.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte Stanley on
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If it doesnt make sense then its probably not true. So much illogical evidence to their case. I think its looking pretty bad for them if it were to go to court.
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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on
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It seems that the estate is willing to step in when it feels "the brand" is being abused. Recently, the estate stepped in and ended an auction for Michael Jackson's medical records including a signed records release letter ( from the Pepsi commercial accident ). The letter is authenticated by JSA as an authentic signature.
Besides the OBVIOUS ethical question of JSA "authenticating" something like this ( didn't they wonder how such critical information was in public hands? Could a family member have been behind it? ), the estate stepped up and protected it's namesake. That tells me that the estate is present and aware of the hobby.
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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on
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Why would authenticating the document have any kind of ethical issue what so ever. You have absolutely no idea why it was being authenticated. How do you know it wasn't for a legal case of some kind? Why would you try to start some kind weird twist to the story of the document?
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Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on
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I would assume JSA was merely authenticating the signature of Mr. Jackson. I would doubt they would be under any obligation to prove provenance of any item they are asked to give an opinion on. Certainly I do not see any issue of ethics in this particular case.
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See you guys totally missed the point. I was merely showing that when given significant reason and concern, the estate will act regardless of any "authenticity" issues.
It goes back to the point DB was originally trying to make in regards to structuring the argument with the auction.
The point wasn't that it was authenticated. Not at all, the point was to show that the estate is not deaf and blind to concerns regarding Jackson's material. It does bear to ask how items such as that ( and not just in the case of MJ ) make it into public hands anyway, I'm sure it would be an ethical issue if it was medical information of a member here. Maybe I just respect the Hippa law too much. Idk.
You have to take the blinders off, just because people ask questions, doesn't mean that there is some deveous / underhanded agenda.
Again, to simplify it, why did the estate act in one case and not the other? To me, those are important questions to ask.
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Brandon,
Of course it was the point "Besides the OBVIOUS ethical question of JSA "authenticating" something like this "didn't they wonder how such critical information was in public hands" this is your quote. Now you are trying to spin something else from this bold and wrong statement you made. You even capitalized "OBVIOUS" to stress your point.
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No my personal issues of medical information being authenticated by ANY memorabilia company then sold are not withstanding. I can't help if others don't share the same concern. I would however like to think that the MJ advocates and fans were against this type of release.
Again, it does show that the estate was. So, in circular fashion...we are back to the original point.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Medical information privacy issues are moot after someone dies.
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Your "personal" issues are your thing but when you state them as a fact then you are in the wrong and will be called out for. Also; who are you to speak for the MJ fans of the world? I didn't know you and his millions of fans were all friends. My bad.
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Permalink Reply by TeamMichael777 on
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Brandon we took active part in bringing that auction to a halt also, this discussion relates to Bush, tompkins, MJ signing styles. Brandon you need to be quiet and sit down!!!
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How do you know that JSA was presented with all the pieces? The only thing they had to look at was the letter that was signed by MJ. I surely dont know if medical records are protected after ones death. These records were sent to someone ar Pepsi when there was a case concerning it. So I imagine whoever worked in that department somehow got access to them. They came from MJ's Dr at the time. pepsi ended up settling and paying moneys to Michael who in turn donated it to the Burn Unit where he was treated.
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