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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on March 28, 2014 at 2:24pm

i am actually surprised this got a cert from GA I didn't think they were this bad..

While I do agree fully that this is very unlikely to be authentic (after that signed paul mccarteny baseball I can only say 99% that it is no good) But in the intrest of playing devils advocate the silver alone isn't enough to call it fake there were silver paint markers in his life time and I have seen a photo somewhere of kurt signing a leather jacket with one.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on March 28, 2014 at 3:42pm

Wow, this is one bad set of fakes being sold by ebay seller thebestfloorcare . But no surprise GA authenticated it, and easily explained. This was authenticated by staff member #2,105. He has been given a stern talking too, so no big deal.

I think its funny how the seller made a special paragraph at the bottom to address all the complaints he is getting that the item is fake. He even seems proud to say it has been authenticated by GA, and Piece of the Past.  Piece of the Past, what can you say about them, that hasnt been exposed here already.

I cant believe ebay hasnt yanked this by now, check it out:

Ebay seller, thebestfloorcare, should really be ashamed. Obviously he has been getting lots of comments concerned about the authenticity, proven by the paragraph he wrote and added to the description concerning this. Its obvious he is getting told its fake, so why wouldnt he take it down until he could get other opinions. Or research Piece of the Past on google for 5 minutes. 

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Permalink Reply by Thebest on March 31, 2014 at 1:18pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nirvana-Kurt-Cobain-Official-Promo-Hand-Sig...

compare it and shut up

SAME SIGNATURES EXPERTS!!!

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on March 31, 2014 at 5:26pm

I take it you are ignoring the PSA quick opinion dare for a reason? Go ahead and get a quick opinion you been offered 5 grand if it passes. So go ahead shut us up. We will be waiting right here. The only thing devaluing your forgery is that GA sticker so stop blaming others. Go compare any 2 signatures one by PSA and one by GA / GAI and check out the difference in price. Did we also ruin those? Stop grasping at straws and shut us up.

Funny you just said no one can compare it from a picture....I guess that only applies to people telling you its a fake? But yet you can do it??? Any how once again you been dared big boy to used PSA quick opinion. It usually takes a few days, I will put in the good work for you to fast track that. So go right ahead and submit your ebay auction. We will be waiting for the screen shot to shut us up.

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Permalink Reply by Bjarne Soderholm on March 31, 2014 at 7:00pm

The promo photo above is from the same seller that are selling this fake Red Hot Chili Peppers photo. So I wouldn't trust them too much. I have seen the promo photo before and it have been discussed and deemed as a fake too. So I understand that those autographs match up with the autographs on your guitar.

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Permalink Reply by J.Seah on March 31, 2014 at 8:52pm

Blind leading the blind!!! :D

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on March 31, 2014 at 10:17pm

I hope you realize thebest, that that photo is a fake as well. lol. 

look, im not trying to pick on you, and thats the truth. I wouldnt care if that guitar was certed by PSA, its still a fake. And this is something you can verify with little effort. And i will step back and try and be as professional as i can, and not be sarcastic.

Here is what you should do if you are truly concerned about the well being of the item, and that you dont want to sell a fake.

1.) Research Piece of the past, which is where the item came from. You can search this site, or google them. There is some amazingly detailed info out there on them, and stories of people who have fought them tooth and nail to get refunds for forgeries they were sold.

2.) Research GA. GA is better in my opinion than GAI, and Steve Sipe does know some autographs very well. In fact, i recommend GA for certain autographs. I can only say i recommend them for one genre, and that is Nascar. The reason, is that the guy who authenticates Nascar through them, Brandon Mysinger, is one of the best Nascar experts out there. He is top notch. But GA screwed up here.

3.) Take the guitar out the case and examine it very thoroughly. Take the pickguard off, and look for a serial number on the back. I have seen some with them, some without. If it has one, or other discernable features on the back, write them down, along with the make and model of the guitar in the display, and contact the manufacturer to see if you can run down when that batch of pickguard was made. If it was made after Cobains death, case closed, and we can try and help you get a refund from the seller who sold it to you.

4.) Write down the make and model of the guitar, and its serial number. And find out when it was made. Pickguards are often mounted on nonspecific guitars, so it may be manufactured after Cobains death. If so, thats not a dead give away b/c the pickguard could have been applied to the guitar at a later date. But its a piece of info. Also research the model fo the guitar and what the guitar is worth by itself (no sigs). Most of the time guitars like this, are within the 80 to 300 dollar range. Most would never mount a pickguard on a very high caliber guitar, b/c they want to play the guitar if its that valuable. Thats from a guitar players perspective.

6.) Next, take some up close photos of the signatures, and ask some non involved parties about what medium the signatures were penned by. I am almost positive they were done in silver sharpie. If thats the case. they cant be real, as sharpies were not around then in silver. Paint pen and silver sharpie are pretty easily detectable, and it will be fairly obvious to a trained eye. I would suggest asking Roger Epperson, Michael Frost, or any respected authenticator who doesnt have a vest in the autographs. No need to ask if the item is genuine, just ask what the medium of writing was.

7.) I think youll find after all that that the signatures are not authentic. And thats without a breakdown of whats wrong with each sig, which i can also give you, as i do have some Nirvana knowledge. This site can help you get a refund yourself. But your behavior so far has been textbook of what we see day in and day out of an ebay seller who knows he has a forgery and wants to sell it anyways. Prove us wrong and do the right thing. Do more research on it, and let us know what you find

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 28, 2014 at 3:55pm

WTG GA and Steve Sipe. You guys might be passing up AAU and Drew Max on the who sucks worst list.

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Permalink Reply by George Karr on March 29, 2014 at 4:46am

I think those bidders don't care about which company authenticated this. In their opinion "authenticated"= "genuine". And this guitar has been authenticated by 2 companies. That means it's "super genuine". I'm pretty sure they don't know the differences between GA, Drew Max, JSA and PSA/DNA. 

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on March 28, 2014 at 4:01pm

Guys, check out the item description. The seller states:

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This is one of the rare things i Owen, Signed by ALL nirvana members including Kurt Cobain R.I.P. I love this item and i really want it to go to somebody that really appreciate it like me, the signatures are in MINT condition, the guitar also! (Missing One String) But MINT condition! there are 2! not 1 but 2 authenticity certificates one it a sticker on the guitar and including one paper certificate to this item, Bid with confident only signature on paper goes $5,000-$10,000 And i cant find anywhere another guitar! this is including the case and i will wrap it for shipping, Buyer is responsible for insurance on this item.. i had bad experience before and on this item i cant take any chances.. Bid with confident!  BUT remember you have to pay on the item, so please only if you have the funds in the bank.. Deposit of $500 in the end of the Auction, nonrefundable! the rest is due when you want me to ship it, i need to see clearance on the payment.. NO Returns on this baby.. check the certificate and you will see its 100% real,  check my feedback and see i am 100% real.. I reserve the right to cancelling this Auction at any time if decent offer will be taken. Love And Peace!" Can you even pay for ebay purchases via an initial deposit?? Also, nice policy about no returns on "this baby". This guys obviously knows what he is selling is at best questionable. Even though its a blatant fake. Here are his comments about the concerns about authenticity he has been getting: "On Mar-26-14 at 04:43:01 PDT, seller added the following information: I added more pic when i opened the wall mount unit AND To all those who send me about the autentency: ok so the certificates are: 1-Global Authentics #GV579276 2-piece of the past #6726 ( Sign: Kevin Martin) This is their websites to check: globalauthentics.com pieceofthepast.com i couldent put the full link Ebay site didn't let me.. just add the www".................................................................................... Typical ebay auction setup that we have all seen before. What a shame. Also notice the sellers horrible grammar. Typical of what we have all been seeing lately.

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Permalink Reply by J.Seah on March 29, 2014 at 7:06am

I have contacted the seller. He does not care if it is a fake!! I even refer him to this site but he don't give a damn. Just hope they take down the auction before it ends!! Or someone is gonna out of some hard earned $$$$$.

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Permalink Reply by Thebest on March 30, 2014 at 8:46am

 Carl Ryan

thats because i am an immigrant you jerk! thats not a reason to be judgemental on people! i am good buyer in ebay for a long time, never had any problems.. i had spent $40k+ on items before.. you can check it like anybody else.. my "Grammer" is an issue i have to live with in U.S.A like other that came from different countries.. 

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