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STUDY: Jerry Lee Lewis - TTM real or not real

Steve asked me to start a new thread since some were having a lot of issues with regards to whether or not the through the mail autographs of Jerry Lee Lewis are real or not. I will post some examples of what we have been getting recently and some know in person examples. These TTM signatures are not cheap. You have to pay $50 for them to his box office box. The question is are they real or not. Roger has said that he has never seen Mr. Lewis sign this way and it looks to perfect - like a woman's signature.

Please post your thoughts here and examples.

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2014 at 11:25am

The 2011 signature also has the separate "R" and "Y", so just substitute it for the check endorsement.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on May 28, 2014 at 12:31pm

That is the one I am talking about BallroomDays67.

I'm going to try to see what you are saying. On the 2011 example I see the "y" as distinct from the double r. On most of the others I see as authentic the signatures are signed with a thicker tipped implement and the r to y distinction is hard to see. I agree if we are seeing unique features on both styles that would be a point in favor of the same hand singing both.

The point of difference I can't shake and pushes hard towards a secretarial signature on several examples is the shape of the double r. How they are formed on the two examples on the left in the image Ballroom posted are very different than elsewhere. The r formation is generally flat bordering on a single point or indistinguishable.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2014 at 12:44pm

If you look closely at your 2011 example and some others, the "R"s show a similar formation. It's a smaller signature, so there's some loss of detail.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2014 at 12:13pm

Jerry Lee Lewis varies his signature in a couple of unusual ways. Does it seem plausible that someone is signing on his behalf and is varying their version of his signature in the same unusual ways?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 28, 2014 at 12:48pm

It's certainly seems plausible to me that the person might study JLL's signature and have their own variations. It's not uncommon among proxy signers.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 31, 2014 at 10:26am

Consider the signed “By Request” LP. It is someone’s personal property. If I have a stack of photos that I’m signing on someone’s behalf and mess one up, I can just toss it into the trash and start over. However, what happens if I mess up the LP? Do I have to go onto eBay or to a used record store and find the same pressing in a similar condition? What if I mess that one up too?

Now, look at the signature on the LP. Does it show hesitation, or does it look natural? Jerry Lee Lewis’ handwriting style is very distinctive. Look at the shapes of the letters and compare them to known authentic examples. Look at the way in which he wrote “Lewis” The pointed character after the “L” is the “E”. The loop that looks like an “E” is actually the beginning of the “W”. Very quirky. Would a proxy signer do that?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on May 28, 2014 at 12:31pm

Have we ever established if JLL added a squiggly line under any legitimate signature? This would settle a lot of dispute over the ghost signing issue. Most TTMs had them. Have we been totally convinced all of these are secs? I know what Judith says about JLL signing all his mail, but I agree, that at this point she will never admit to any TTMS being charged a fee as being fakes.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on May 28, 2014 at 12:39pm

Steve Viola,

I just answered you on your post from Monday but will repeat here. I did not notice your new post.

On page 14 my authentic examples have short squiggles underneath but they are quite small compared to the questioned ttms.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on May 28, 2014 at 1:08pm

thanks. will take a look

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on May 28, 2014 at 12:44pm

Ballroom

I have no idea what you mean when you say he sometimes has a separate "R" and "y". Every one I see is connected. Are you saying that he lifted his pen?

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on May 28, 2014 at 12:51pm

No, I'm not saying that. They are indeed always connected. I'm saying that sometimes the "R" is completely distinguished from the "Y" and sometimes they share a common border.

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on May 28, 2014 at 1:23pm

Ballroom,

You are focusing on one minor thing and missing the big picture. Of course anyone can do this when they are in a hurry or not. Take all of the information you have been given and then draw your conclusion don't focus on one silly little detail that could happen with anyone and try to make your point.