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Permalink Reply by Prashant Kaushik on July 20, 2014 at 6:22pm

I will be blunt but honest...under the assumption he owns all those items, 99% of those items SIGNED are fake.

Only some of the drawings I saw have an authentic signature from Michael.

Michael Bush is an absolute scam artist.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on July 20, 2014 at 7:45pm

I agree with Prashant, a lot of those items are terrible fakes and NOT signed by Michael

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Permalink Reply by Prashant Kaushik on July 20, 2014 at 8:01pm

Dan,

Thanks for the support.  Those signatures by Michael Bush have estroyed some amazing items that if kept in its original state, would have been much more valuable to the Michael Jackson fans of the world.  Those signatures are like distasteful graffiti...what a tragedy!

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Permalink Reply by wascher on July 21, 2014 at 2:09am

Hi Hannah,

Welcome to our forum. Unfortunately - as others mentioned, the items you have on your blog are 99.9% forged autographs.   You can read all about this auction and the items sold in this discussion on our forum HERE 

It's a very long thread but is well worth the time to read - especially for those who sunk money into these items.

One of the items that was yanked from that very auction was a "signed" standee (a life-sized stand up cardboard cut-out) of Michael Jackson, with the same forged "autograph" on it as the ones you've shown.  The "autograph" was placed right above the trademark logos on the standee (whoops).  We contacted the standee manufacturer and official licensed merchandise dealer (Bravado), sending them a photo screen shot of that very autograph/logo area- and they assured us that the standee could NOT have been signed by Michael Jackson--he was dead when it was created and marketed.  The trademark logos/license deals/contracts with Bravado/Triumph were inked in August of 2009, naming them the official distributor of MJ Merchandise--2 months after MJ died.  Juliens upon being questioned thoroughly by two different fan sites, yanked the item and tried to cover it up by saying it must have been a prototype created prior to his death.  Bravado again stated this is impossible.

Juliens was given a heads up by Steve Cyrkin (owner of this forum), as well as several other autograph experts (Roger Epperson being one of those--who is imo the #1 MJ autograph expert) that the items were not authentic and should be checked out prior to the auction, but they went forward with the auction any way. 

If you have any questions about that thread I'm thoroughly familiar with it, (as is Prashant) - and if we can help answer anything, please feel free to ask. 

Wascher

 

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Permalink Reply by Tracey Simpson on July 21, 2014 at 2:22am

Hello everybody,

I do not own the items. One of my friends Hannah owns them. I am a stock broker in London, and I don't need to boast but we are both worth millions as you can tell by the amounts of money these items brought at Julien's. Although I understand your concern regarding the standee. None of your experts Epperson, whoever ever examined the signatures in person. We are probably richer than everyone on this forum, so this is a bit like the poor man who has no knowledge trying to come down on us. These items were checked out via our own experts. As Michael created controversy in life he will always create controversy after death. I really wanted to show the fans out there these wonderful items. 

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Permalink Reply by Tracey Simpson on July 21, 2014 at 2:24am

Furthermore if these items were fakes then how is Julien's still trading. The FBI investigation was nothing but an investigation. Darren was found not guilty!!!

What Darren didn't tell you was some of the items came with photos of him signing some of these items but due to others passing of fakes we are keeping these private. 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on July 21, 2014 at 2:52am

Tracey, Darren claimed there were video's of these signings, not photos.  He later retracted that statement in an interview with MJJC.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 21, 2014 at 9:17am

How is somebody found not guilty in an investigation? How is it "we" are keeping them private? Thought the stuff wasn't yours.

Darren hooked a sucker.............no question about it.

 

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on July 21, 2014 at 10:53am

Who is we?

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Permalink Reply by wascher on July 21, 2014 at 2:48am

Hi Tracey,

If Hannah is happy with the items, then her money has been well spent.  Nobody is "coming down on you"-you brought the items up, we didn't.  As to your worth, not sure what difference that makes.... and saying things like "so this is a bit like the poor man who has no knowledge"--I guess your saying that being rich makes you super smart?  I'd have to disagree completely, especially in this situation. 

Wascher

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on July 21, 2014 at 9:11am

Interesting statement you made Tracey.  You don't need to see them in person to deem them not authentic.  If the shape of the signature is not correct there is no need to go any further.  I can tell from a scan if the shape is incorrect 99% of the time.  Now telling if it's authentic or not is another story.  The signature shape may correct but you can't tell very easily if its stamped or a color copy or things of that nature. 

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 21, 2014 at 9:15am

Since you and your friend are so rich than I am glad you were the ones that were ripped off.

 

 

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