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Michael Jordan Autographs - Please Help!
Hello,
I am new to this site and this is my first post!
I recently purchased two Michael Jordan 8x10 photos on an auction site called HiBid.
One photo is authenticated by VS Autographs and the other by ACA (American Collectibles Authentication). After receiving them I sent them out to JSA to get the reauthenticated. Unfortunately they both came back non authentic according to JSA.
I've tried contacting both VS and ACA with no success. Has anyone ever been in contact with them?
I've spent so much money between the purchases, shipping, and submitting them to JSA. I feel like something really needs to be done with these situations. Either VS and ACA need to be shut down or, maybe the auto's real and JSA and PSA need to take more responsibility before claiming an auto is fake.
I don't know, has anyone else been through and this and somehow successfully made their money back?
Any advice of information would be grateful!
Anthony
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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on
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Just for comparison, here's a Jordan sig I got at the 2002 John Elway golf tournament in Broomfield, CO.
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"I feel like something really needs to be done with these situations. Either VS and ACA need to be shut down or, maybe the auto's real and JSA and PSA need to take more responsibility before claiming an auto is fake."
With all due respect, what "needs to be done" is that you need to take a step back and stop buying for a little while. Your reaction to your experience suggests unreasonable expectations.
Jordan is very widely forged, and unrecognized (or worse) authorization stickers or COAs are no protection from that. You should probably only be buying autographs that are already authenticated by a top TPA.
I've heard of the site where you purchased these from, but I would never expect it to be a reliable source for these sorts of things. Do you have any recourse with then, or through the credit card company?
As for suggesting that "JSA and PSA need to take more responsibility before claiming an auto is fake", what are you expecting them to do? They are paid to offer their professional opinion, not rubber-stamp someone else's opinion.
Also, it's good to keep in mind that there is a difference between declaring an autograph "fake" and declining to authenticate. As I have said before, it is not enough for an autograph to be authentic, it must also be authenticatable. The delineation between authentic and forgery is not always a clear one, so questionable examples need to be avoided.
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Hi JK,
You are absolutely right, there are many things in the world that are forged and/or sold as the real thing when they are not.
I have been buying and selling for a while now but this was the fist time that i did not in fact buy something authenticated by one of the big boys. But damn, I mean ACA has a website with a database and everything... i guess my emotions got the best of me!
Yes, my next step is to hit up the company that auctioned these items and see what they say.
My main goal was to find out if anyone actually got any responses from these two companies VS and ACA
Thank you.
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Hey AM,
Unfortunately these COAs (VS, ASA, IN PERSON, HERITAGE AUCTIONS and others) are all forgery rings, everything they produce is forged. They go to the extent of creating a website, stickers and online database to sell their forgeries. Very sad what they do.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Heritage Auctions is now considered a forgery ring? I don't think they deserve quite the reputation as VS or ACA?
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My apologies “Heritage Authentication” which isn’t associated with Heritage Auctions.
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Ah, thank you!
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+1 to Jason.
You can buy things "from the Big 3" and still purchase a forgery or secretarial. It is course not the norm. But no one is more interested in your autographs than you.
ACA comes up in the search engine here as a source to avoid. The same with VS.
I always suggest research first, then knowledge (protection), then actual purchase - once you know what you are looking for (what it should appear like depending when it was signed), where should it be signed, how, with what, common dedications/inscriptions and so on, How else to know if your potential purchase is above average or a poor example without experience? Business are not there to tell you if the example if a good one or not, just if it id authentic, and there are many more variables, attributes and components of a desirable autograph.
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Here is an example of why self education and independent knowledge is valuable protection and should be front line defense:
This item was slabbed some time ago - it is not authentic, it is a common secretarial. But if you run the certification number on the sticker through PSA's cert lookup today, it still is listed as "authentic". They do not update the database. So, unless you knew this secretarial style by Patricia Saddleman you would think all is well. You would also be out $1500. This is for sale right now.
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Pardon re the "Gleason" LP - not "slabbed" but "authenticated".
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When and where did you buy them? What recourse if any do you have? How did you pay?
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