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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 6:09am

Hi michelle - Did you happen to get the same email from the auction house that I just did?

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Permalink Reply by michelle on March 28, 2024 at 6:16am

Indeed, that was prompted my interest.

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 6:32am

Not real.  It's inscribed to "Pierre".  Many of these photos from this collection are inscribed to that name or the English "Peter".  Said to be from a French collection but it seems to be coming out of Austria and has been parceled out internationally into the hobby marketplace.

Here are some other Brandos that have emerged from this collection.  The fundamental patterns are there with all of them:

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 6:53am

p.s.   If you have access to that auction house's archives, type in the proper name of the supposed French collector and you'll see a couple of hundred items that have passed through them over the last few years.  It's just one venue that this collection has been distributed through, unfortunately.  

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 6:53am

The French Blue strikes again.

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Permalink Reply by michelle on March 28, 2024 at 7:01am

I thought it didnt look genuine, that is a heck of a lot of money

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 7:03am

It is a lot of money.  But it's just a drop in the bucket with what this collection has 'achieved' internationally.

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Permalink Reply by MG on March 28, 2024 at 8:26am

I saw a big part of the collection in the shop of a Paris autograph dealer some years ago, they were undoubtedly authentic. I think what has been happening is that forgers jump(ed) on the opportunity to bring their forged autographs to the market and use a "pierre" or "peter" dedication. There are more shades of grey to the story than just black/white :-)

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 8:36am

Unfortunately, I was taken in twice by pieces from this collection.  Both purchased from consignments to dealers here in the U.S. .  Some pretty significant money...for me at least. 

If you go through the couple of hundred archived pieces on the auction house website, it explicitly states by name the dedicatee in the item descriptions and the collection being attributed to coming from them.  

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Permalink Reply by MG on March 28, 2024 at 8:46am

Sorry to hear! I think the actual collection is authentic and was collected in-person in Paris. The true question in my view is whether the items can actually be traced back to the collection, or if it is simply believed by the vendor that this is the origin, given the Pierre/Peter inscription (and this is where forgeries come into play).

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on March 28, 2024 at 8:51am

Here are some more from this collection.  We've looked here on AL previously at Sinatra, Hitchcock, Swanson, etc....  also all of those as well in trademark blue.

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Permalink Reply by MG on March 28, 2024 at 8:59am

my opinion is (based on seeing a large part of the collection in Paris itself) that the "true" collection is most likely ok, yet it is the forgers who benefit from the Pierre/Peter link...the blue ink used is available in every store in Europe and used by kids in school everywhere, so it is readily available to forgers, too. And a "smart" forger can use that ink, dedicate the signature to Peter/Pierre and an "apparent" link to the original collection is pretended. In short, I think there is more nuance to the story. But we probably should not discuss this here, as forgers may get ideas now...

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