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Permalink Reply by Paul on July 27, 2017 at 5:30am

The sabbath set i posted is fake in my opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 27, 2017 at 3:43pm

I'm very surprised they authenticated the McCartney in the OP. I don't think it's even close.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on July 27, 2017 at 4:08pm

Who has the link to this mc lp?

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 27, 2017 at 4:33pm

Looks like it was removed from eBay. It was item 382177175395.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on July 27, 2017 at 4:28pm

Looks to be the work of the Southern California Forgers!!!

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on July 27, 2017 at 5:30pm

+1.

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on July 27, 2017 at 7:56pm

This one flies against the norms of convention. Not only does it look more and more horrible the closer you get to it, but the farther away you get from it the worse it looks. :)

This one is a great example of the space, shape, and linear proportions; the architecture of a signature, the macro-aspect of the signature being off. You don't need to see the intricacies, this and that letter or connection being off. Getting lost in the details, so to speak. From afar, the entire shape can be seen, even at a glance, that this is not Paul.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on July 27, 2017 at 11:31pm

There's hope for flynny yet!

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on July 28, 2017 at 3:22am

Well whether it is based on trust or bsd exampler files or whatever else...We are seeing clear fakes with coas from (generally) trusted companies on the market.

We here are smart enough to wuestion authenticity, but the passive collector looking for a Waters or McCartney are buying based on those stickers and good faith. Which in turn devalues legitimate examples. It is all one big rotten game.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on July 28, 2017 at 3:47am

That's right! The novice collector may look at a trusted list and see a Beckett or psa dna and possibly end up with a forgery.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2017 at 4:07pm

If collectors buy solely based on the opinions of PSA or Beckett there is a good chance they have already bought forgeries and will again.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 28, 2017 at 4:19pm

They don't show you their exemplar file. We just here about the mythical thing. I bet there isn't one built for a good chunk of the stuff they authenticate.

Hard to believe they have these files built for all these first year minor league players yet they'll charge you and sticker the stuff. Same with all the music act. I bet they use EBAY or google as their exemplar file on a lot of things.

One of the authenticating companies mentioned here authenticated 300 items for a friend of mine overnight in a hotel room with a 100% pass rate. I'd post all the names but would rather have permission first. Much of that stuff was impossible to authenticate. Sloppy in person sigs. Dropped the stuff off at 8:30 at night and picked up next day at 8. Even if that goof worked all night that is 25 items an hour. A hair over two minutes per signature without even subtracting bathroom, smoke or snack breaks. Yet collectors think these guys are out there protecting them or the integrity of the hobby. Authenticating companies and their flunky authenticators have become one of the largest scams in autograph collecting. The money they rake in annually dwarfs the largest forgery scams we've seen.

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