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Beatles signed record
This record is supposedly signed by the Beatles in Sweden in 1963 - could that be true?
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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No good, unfortunately.
I moved this to the Beatles forum.
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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on
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Thanks
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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They are very rudimentary forgeries.
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Permalink Reply by Eddy on
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I don't doubt your judgement, Ballroom. I am curious about how the signatures have, at least at first glance, what looks like an 'aged' appearance with a pretty good replication of 'vintage' ballpoint. I'm not so much interested in the signatures as to rather how that was done.
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I couldn’t tell you. I don’t know if they were artificially aged, if they’re older forgeries, or if the ink looks less aged in person. I’m judging the appearance of the signatures in which all four appear slowly and crudely drawn and misshapen.
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I agree with you that they look mishappen and crude. I guess only the possible forger would know their own method. I'd love to have it in hand to look at that ink closely.
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My guess is that UV radiation from a lamp along with more simple kitchen table techniques could accomplish this. The presentation does seem a bit overcooked here. Very curious to hear the opinions of others.
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UV radiation is what museums use for accelerated aging of both new recreations of past artist colours and also in the testing of modern pigments by manufacturers and technical researchers alike. In the study and testing of certain fugitive colors employed by Van Gogh (eosin, cochineal, madder lake and the chrome yellows he is known for), the materials were recreated from technical analysis and then exposed to 2000 hours of heat at 50 degrees C (122 F) and then 500 hours of a certain UV lamp which also kept temperatures at the same 50 degrees. The other techniques involved rapid changes in humidity and temperature. The fading was mostly induced with the uv radiation. I belive UV is also used ln the accelerated age testing of modern ink.
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These ARE from 1963, I have no doubt about that. The question is if it was signed by the Beatles at that date or anyone in their management and handed out.
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How do you know it was signed in ‘63? It definitely wasn’t signed by The Beatles, and there seems to be too much attention to detail for it to have been signed by any of their associates. They’re poorly done though.
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Because the person who owns it has proof that they meet the Beatles, I cant imagine them buying this later and trying to sell it now as something they got since its a well known person.
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What exactly is the story? It doesn’t sound like they’re claiming that it was signed in person. I can’t see a secretarial signer signing “Rinigo Starr.”
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