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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on November 25, 2022 at 11:47pm

Once again not saying you're right or wrong... Sure theres no proof the ones before 2020 are fake, but there's also no proof they're 100% real either. The only ones who would know for sure are Bob and his team and they can't be trusted.

We can compare signatures, but hand signed signatures aren't as easy to spot as being fake as autopen. Especially with someone who refuses to sign in person 99% of the time. He could have had someone signing for him for many years on his official stuff so people assume its real since he rarely signs in person. Is that improbable? Maybe... but theres no way of knowing 100% for anyone that wasn't in the room watching him sign... and I haven't seen any of those people provide irrefutable proof beyond their word, which means nothing. 

They can be compared to known real examples, but there's been plenty of times when autograph "experts" have gotten things blatantly wrong, and it was later figured out when things more scrutinized. So yes, there's no proof they're fake before 2020, but we've also been given zero proof they're all real. Besides the people making money off them (aka known liars who are willing to sell fakes as real) saying they are real. Anyone can say they're real, just like anyone can say they're fake. Until something can be proven then it can always be questioned. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 26, 2022 at 12:26am

The experts got every one of them wrong. I’ve got the gosh damn date wrong. 
we are all wrong. Epperson is wrong. Ok. You’re right. 

look i helped you get your database. This whole mess is terrible. I for one won’t buy his signed crap again. I do trust the stuff I have but I’ll share my 10 sigs for a database. 

He signed in 2020 before march. You’ll see. 

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on November 26, 2022 at 12:38am

I think you're the only one that needs to learn to read. I literally said multiple times I'm not saying you're right or wrong. What I am saying is for whatever reason you think everyone should believe you when you say, they're all real, I know but mysteriously can't tell you why, or show any proof. But you keep bringing up the fact nobody has given proof they're fake... and as I said, yes that's true. Nobody has proven they're fake, just like nobody has proven them to be real... but for whatever reason you expect everyone to believe your side with no proof, and not the other.

So once again in case you didn't understand... I'm not saying they're real or fake. I'm saying believing they're real without proof is the same as believing they're fake without proof. 

If you claim to know for a fact they're real and can't say why that would make me assume you have some insider knowledge. Without proof of that knowledge why would anyone believe what you say? You want proof from everyone else but refuse to provide any for what you say. So just as much as you can say you KNOW they're real, anyone else can say they KNOW they're fake. It's all the same bs until someone proves their side of the story. 

And you want to act like I'm so far off base for saying people can get things wrong... So far Castle Galleries has been wrong, Simon and Schuster has been wrong, Dylan has been wrong... the people with the most insider knowledge possible have all been wrong... but you think everyone should believe you with no proof. Lol 

I appreciate your help in figuring out the autopens, and trust me I was ready to give up on the hobby after the Indigo situation,  it's been frustrating for everyone... but you can't just say something is real with no proof and expect everyone to take it as gospel, especially after all the bs Dylan and his team and everyone who planned to make money off this has pulled... then criticize those who said its possible they're fake... and then say to ask Castle Galleries who's lied plenty for their word on the matter, like they should be believed about anything. That makes zero sense. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 26, 2022 at 2:12am

Bye 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 26, 2022 at 2:21am

I didn’t criticize people. Did you NOT read the bull on the other page accusing me of being someone other than me or having some other motive for being here???? Yeah I’m pretty pissed off after working on getting all this stuff straight through a weekend on a phone when I have a gosh damn disability where excessive computer use hurts my syndrome. Yeah. I’m annoyed. my intentions were straight forward. I’m not a liar or a fraud. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 26, 2022 at 12:27am

Keep looking by all means. I will contribute my 10 sigs. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 25, 2022 at 11:19pm

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Permalink Reply by NeilL on November 26, 2022 at 12:59am

Folks, if you haven't already, then Google Bob Dylan autopen - it's everywhere - NY Times, Daily Mail etc. Well done all who helped make that happen. He has been well and truly shamed and caught with his pants around his ankles. It should seriously make every future artist think twice about doing this and calls into question his integrity going forward. He's probably too rich and old to care much but if it stops even one other major artist trying to scam their fans then it's a job well done. Personally, they could send me a hand written letter of apology from Bob now and I wouldn't believe it was real.

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on November 26, 2022 at 1:46am

Have any of those stories been updated about the prints? I Googled it and mostly just seen the book stories from the past few days. 

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on November 26, 2022 at 1:13am

Well Done Jason and All. 

My initial thoughts as i'm waking up are deep down disbelief as I like many of us (but not all) would think Bob and his team would stoop so low as to not only sign autopenned books but his prints aswell. 

If you have vertigo that bad to sign - then you sure as hell cannot stand on stage and sing for hours on end - so that's bull s*** first off! 

Bob and his team have committed blatant fraud. Just because he has come out and admitted it - does not make it alright and acceptable. He has only put out that statement for damage limitation, well Bob the damage has been done, you started it with autopenning your prints years ago and as you seemingly got away with it, continued to show a total disregard for your fans and continued the use of the autopen, now you have been found out you are trying to make excuses for your fraudulant and deceptive actions, I for one don't believe a word of it. 

I think everybody that bought an autopenned Print or book need to open a lawsuit against him, unless he puts this right by some sort of huge gesture  - maybe he should run a Bob Dylan - the US / European  Autopeen / Autopreent Tour 2023 - and the name of the band?  Bob Dylan and the Simon & Schuster Shitheads  ..... where each and everyone get to meet him and are hand given a signed book or print in person ! 

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Permalink Reply by Arie-Jan on November 26, 2022 at 1:14am

Wow, what a lame statement. So he hasn’t signed anything since early 2020? I would be really upset if I acquired one of those artprints recently.

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on November 26, 2022 at 2:18am

He has. He has a few installments after drawn blank. I can’t remember what they were. 

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