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Permalink Reply by Dubroni on December 3, 2022 at 9:07am

Time to force the issue. File a lawsuit. Dylan has admitted fault. Will he fight a lawsuit? I think he will settle to keep his reputation and to keep it out of the press.

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 3, 2022 at 10:42am

Response specifically to MattM / Jason H / Eugene and anyone else.  You asked a question about dating a photo. It would be interesting to date the photograph of Bob included on Page 2 of the Mondo Scripto brochure.  Unfortunately there is nothing in that photo which helps. I have looked through the Mondo catalogue and there is no acknowledgment of who took the photo unlike other photos which have been included in the same catalogue. I was lucky enough to have been invited to see the original Mondo Scriptos in December 2018 in London. The same exhibition included several other original works including Early Morning Golden Gate Bridge.  I thought this was a great picture. I was told it may be released as a limited addition but there was no commitment It came out in limited edition format in May 2019 and I purchased one   This is the first print in my collection where the signature looks different from previous ones.   Bob has said he had vertigo in 2019 and used the autopen then and  throughout the pandemic years when he wanted to avoid contact with others . This is presumably why Castle have said that no one from Castle witnessed the signings.  Bob says he was worried that he could not meet his contractual obligations and was assured this was an acceptable alternative in the art and literary world.  Who gave him that assurance  and who else was aware ?  Where was the auto pen used?  Did Bob actually need the prints with him to use auto pen or could auto pen be set up and used elsewhere?  Let’s look at what Bob was doing in 2019. First go back to 2018 . He finished his European/ Far East/ Australia / New Zealand tours finishing in the USA 3rd December 2018.  Touring did not start again until 31/3/ 2019. Is the gap between the end of December 2018 and 31st March 2019 when he had vertigo? He toured on and off from 31st  March to the 8/12/2019  approximately 3 tours lasting somewhere between 6. -8 weeks each time - 77 concerts in total. Very good for an elderly chap.  He was on good form - I saw him in the U.K. and on his European leg.  Clearly vertigo did not stop him touring and 2019 was a very busy year for him.   There was no touring in 2020 - in the U.K we were locked down from March 2020 due to covid restrictions.  Bob did not tour again until  the end of the following year starting in November 2021. 
Bob has made his statement saying he used autopen in 2019 and throughout the pandemic years and given his reasons. He needs to answer the question - who told him it was acceptable to do this and who else within his various contractual relationships was made aware.  Castle need to answer the previous list of questions and provide the relevant proof.   There has been some suggestions on here about taking legal action against Bob.  None of us have  a contract with Bob.  The Purchasers contract  is with the seller of the art .  If they choose to subrogate against Bob then that is nothing to do with us. They could easily stop all this speculation by being more transparent with their customers in a timely manner and provide evidence to support their statement or admit that the problem is bigger than they originally thought and widen the re dress exercise. 

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Permalink Reply by Nichole on December 4, 2022 at 1:56am

He recorded an album and recorded a concert show in 2020. Rough and rowdy ways in January and February of 2020 and shadow kingdom was during said pandemic when he didn’t want to be in close quarters with those 5 people. Instead he was in close quarters with many people. 

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 4, 2022 at 5:14am

Nichole - that’s good information.  I was wondering if it was possible to record remotely and send it on to someone who adds the backing on . A recent album by Elvis Costello was recorded on this basis. The opportunities are endless. Perhaps it’s not dissimilar to having the ability to set the auto pen up and sending it to where ever the prints are. ? 

 

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on December 3, 2022 at 12:01pm

What if the "real" signed COA comes and it's the same questionable handwriting as the prints lol. I'd assume that's what would happen. They'd have to video the signing, which I doubt Bob will ever let happen. 

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 3, 2022 at 12:09pm

PF Collector - can we please deal with facts  and not what if or but . 

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on December 3, 2022 at 1:04pm

It was a joke, hence the "lol"... but either way more than likely a fact that they wouldn't send out signed COA's, and on top of that why would anyone trust their word that they're hand signed by Dylan if they did? 

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 3, 2022 at 1:31pm

A1.  I assume this is a joke?  

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 3, 2022 at 1:38pm

After this whole scandal I  would assume anything he has allegedly signed is Fake / autopenned or secretarial -  unless proven genuine by Dylan In person himself ! As found out he's a fraudster  and cannot be trusted.

I was looking to buy an art print recently, and won't be now, the only way I (and probably anybody else)  would after all of this, would be at an  in person signing - which will never happen, or if there was video evidence of him signing the actual item - which will never happen either. 

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Permalink Reply by Dubroni on December 3, 2022 at 2:32pm

Dear 5816nick, I think you are right. Dylan would never have admitted his fraud had it not been found out by crowdsourcing. I'm sure he was surprised to be caught. His use of deception, the use of 17 different autopen signatures is sure evidence of "intent". Someone has to act on this. Once a liar, always a liar. In law the judge advises that if a witness is found to lie in any instance, the jury can consider that everything is a lie. I would not put anything past him, including that his "artwork" is not really by him, and the whole thing is a scam.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 4, 2022 at 12:41am

Yes, and when i say you can't trust anything he has signed unless proven otherwise by video evidence or in person - i mean from his whole 60 year career no just recently. 

Mail Fraud may be the way to go both in the UK and US, as I'm sure all other countries too depending on your actual laws

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Permalink Reply by mike on December 3, 2022 at 2:41pm

If he "fixes" this by actually signing a bunch of books, is anyone buying? I'm assuming they'll go right back to Simon And Shuster for sale.

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